SFxT General Discussion #4 - Witty title

roknin · 2013-09-20T09:05:12.000Z

the7k:

roknin:

Guy, Duds and Elena pages updated. Working on Sakura next after work. I also linked to zUkUu’s frame data guide for each individual character at the bottom of the pages.

I would like some help in the analysis department - the bit at the top of each page - if peeps want to do small write-ups for them.

Elena’s In A Nutshell should say something about her having safe footsie normals, decent combo damage, many overheads, good anti-zoning tools and being able to sync with almost any partner.

Her cons would be that her best meterless combos and even some of her neutral tools rely on a standing opponent and many of her overheads (including her only move that forces stand, Mallet Smash) are easy to react to, making crouching opponents a problem for her. Also, some of her best moves are themselves crouching attacks and she has a few specials that are considered crouching, making her pretty weak to raw launches. While she has some great jump attacks, she jumps higher than most and it makes it easy to react to her jump ins unless set up.

You can cover these weaknesses by having a partner with a tag-in move that forces stand (Dudley’s Machine Gun Blow and Ken’s Tatsu as examples), by getting opponents used to crouching and going for a throw, and by baiting out launches and then punishing.

She also has below average health and, maybe it’s just me, but her throw seems rather subpar. I mean, it’s obviously subpar compared to her godlike SF3 throw, but even compared to other SFxT throws it seems below average.

Of course, she more than makes up for these weaknesses by being adorable.

I might not know what I’m talking about at all though, so take everything I say with a grain of salt.

No, sounds good! I’ll probably give it a go and see what’s what in the coming week. Thanks for that!

FengShuiEnergy:

Eh, making comebacks…feels good but it really just tells me about the opponent. Intimidation crept up on you. People, I believe turtle because they lost control of the match especially when the clock is ticking. If you have complete control of the match regardless or life lead…why back off? There’s honestly no need to.

We will forever disagree on this, methinks. >_>

FengShuiEnergy · 2013-09-20T09:10:03.000Z

Hmmm so it seems rok…so it seems.

the7k · 2013-09-20T09:20:49.000Z

Turtling when you have the life lead in the last seconds of a match is more about not taking risks that are going to get the match stolen from you. It’s not about losing control so much as it is simplifying the match to “Okay, all I have to do is block correctly and tech throws and I’ll win.”

It’s not always the right decision, sometimes it is better to maintain pressure in order to prevent your opponent from doing anything… but maintaining pressure is risky. Turtling, while not without risk. is much safer.

Intuitive2011 · 2013-09-20T09:33:04.000Z

FengShuiEnergy:

Eh, making comebacks…feels good but it really just tells me about the opponent. Intimidation crept up on you. People, I believe turtle because they lost control of the match especially when the clock is ticking. If you have complete control of the match regardless or life lead…why back off? There’s honestly no need to.

This may be Street Fighter X Tekken, but it’s still SF at it’s core. Which means you can still turtle, and for me, in certain match ups, when I have the life lead, I turtle and reaction HP SRK to those people who are desperate enough to try and overhead me. You do have a point about pressing on, but it only has to be done in short burst, if you’re a zoner, in my opinion.

Rc_ON · 2013-09-20T10:04:31.000Z

Evo did not upload this one so here is that pretty damn dangerous reset into pandora:

FengShuiEnergy · 2013-09-20T10:12:00.000Z

I understand backing off for breathing space…then jump back in and finish the job.

Rc_ON · 2013-09-20T10:48:49.000Z

Heck yes Balrog hit confirm into buffalo head: Cl. Hk , cr. Lp , far st. Lp xx mp buffalo head.

326 damage and cl. hk is +3 on block.

ExecutiveDave · 2013-09-20T11:05:20.000Z

So the game comes tomorrow, very excited for it actually, been watching some of the recent major matches including the last tfc matches.

I’m going to start off with Ryu/Ken until I get the hang of the game. Are there any duos in the game that are canon teams and good? I know Chun is top tier, is cammy any good? My main in sf4 is sagat but I ain’t using Sim. I also used King/Marduk in ttt2, but I have no idea how good those two are in this game.

FengShuiEnergy · 2013-09-20T11:09:27.000Z

JurixBison, RyuxKen, Chun-LixCammy are good official teams.

the7k · 2013-09-20T11:25:45.000Z

Elena/Dudley, Nina/Kazuya and Law/Paul are my personal picks. After TFC, Poison/Hugo might not be as bad as I thought. I could also see Sagat/Dhalsim being pretty damn good in the right hands.

the7k · 2013-09-20T12:50:58.000Z

Rc_ON:

Evo did not upload this one so here is that pretty damn dangerous reset into pandora:

I just tried this with Elena’s EX Mallet Smash… 632 damage without gems. Damn, that feels nice.

Almost makes me want to do Elena/Hugo - hell, that was even an official tag team in SF3: Second Impact called Beauty and The Beast.

If Hugo has a way to force stand for a tag-in, I might actually give it a real shot. I feel like forcing stand is too good for her not to have on a partner.

FrostyAU · 2013-09-20T13:00:42.000Z

FengShuiEnergy:

So frosty…I see tell you did some karate back in the day…and possibly doing boxing still? Good stuff.

Yes, I reached black belt in Kyokushin under Sensei Owen before I moved states. I’ve done boxing / kickboxing through fitness gyms for most of the last five years, I don’t compete in it though like I used to in karate. I’d like to try compete MMA at some point in the future but I can’t find any avenues near where I live.

the7k · 2013-09-20T13:05:51.000Z

Kyokushin? Oh shit, dude. You gotta teach me how to do 100% stun combos and Haou Shikoukens.

FengShuiEnergy · 2013-09-20T13:10:36.000Z

I see…interesting.

owattjacob · 2013-09-20T13:17:41.000Z

So the usual online shenanigans, went up to this guy that lost to me 2-3 times no biggie.

4th time or so i started seriously disrespecting his Jin, I fucked up so bad that I had to hold a double perfect rofl. Yoshimitsu was on point the whole time.

He messaged me “WHERES THE BEAR”

I messaged back “He went to beary Yoshimitsu”

It was worth the disgrace

FrostyAU · 2013-09-20T13:30:27.000Z

the7k:

Kyokushin? Oh shit, dude. You gotta teach me how to do 100% stun combos and Haou Shikoukens.

FrostyAU · 2013-09-20T18:10:29.000Z

Daigo just blew up Infiltration 10 - 2 at the Madcatz Unveiled exhibition held at Tokyo Gameshow.

All hail god Umehara.

owattjacob · 2013-09-20T18:46:26.000Z

I still think Daigo is pulling some Dragon ball Z bullshit recently.

The hyperbolic time chamber is too stronk.

Links · 2013-09-20T18:49:23.000Z

the7k:

Rc_ON:

Evo did not upload this one so here is that pretty damn dangerous reset into pandora:

I just tried this with Elena’s EX Mallet Smash… 632 damage without gems. Damn, that feels nice.

Almost makes me want to do Elena/Hugo - hell, that was even an official tag team in SF3: Second Impact called Beauty and The Beast.

If Hugo has a way to force stand for a tag-in, I might actually give it a real shot. I feel like forcing stand is too good for her not to have on a partner.

You could probably still combo into Mallet Smash in the corner using EX Monster Lariat… Not sure about midscreen however.

ExecutiveDave:

So the game comes tomorrow, very excited for it actually, been watching some of the recent major matches including the last tfc matches.

I’m going to start off with Ryu/Ken until I get the hang of the game. Are there any duos in the game that are canon teams and good? I know Chun is top tier, is cammy any good? My main in sf4 is sagat but I ain’t using Sim. I also used King/Marduk in ttt2, but I have no idea how good those two are in this game.

Kazuya/Nina is really nice - look out for replays of ChaosLimits, who is a pretty great user of this team.
Ryu/Ken itself is actually not a bad team. Sanford uses them.
Chun-Li/Cammy is an amazing team actually. Great pokes and an overall solid game.
Bison/Juri is for sure a good team. This is a team than can play a very solid all around game and has good synergy.
Julia/Bob seems like a pretty solid team. Both have tools for the neutral game and powerful mixups.
Elena/Dudley is a team with great synergy, good damage, solid footsies, and is fun.
Akuma/Ogre (while not technically a canon team) is pretty solid as well. Ogre and Akuma complement each other nicely. Akuma can zone and play lame while also possessing a good pressure game, and Ogre has a pretty scary pressure game as well and rock-solid defense.

I could also see Alisa/Lars working out, but I’ve rarely seen it played…

Darknid · 2013-09-20T20:56:13.000Z

Akuma cannot ‘play lame.’ Akuma can ‘fail miserably’ and ‘die trying,’ but, in this game, he really can’t ‘play lame,’ and, to me, that in itself is actually just a bit lame.