SFxT General Discussion #3 - Still Alive

[FrostyAU]

I guess it’s the lack of tits, thighs and a bra as a headdress. The footsie game is similar to Chun’s but probably weaker. He has a safe-ish reversal with Ex dash straight. Point blank it’s -3 frames on block and it can be thrown. But that’s when you can mix it up with Ex head butt, which is really unsafe on block but has full body invulnerability. It’s a 1 meter ticket out of mixups, too. I can see how Rog is hell for characters without good range 3 frame moves (especially for the anchor characters such as Heihachi, Asuka, Paul etc.). He has the potential to be a pain for Law, too.

Oh and I love blowing up players who try to mash after tag canceling their blocked reversal. Even if the incoming character goes for another reversal, the armor wins.

I know all about character loyalty, believe me. I dropped Guile in SFxT who I’d been using since day one because of my loyalty to him in Street Fighter IV. It was too hard switching between games. I’ve played Nina forever in Tekken, she’s my favourite fighting game female.

On Steve + Dudley normals, Dudley has the overhead, one of the best in the game. Steve has his st. fierce which converts into a metric fuck ton of damage because of his fierce, flicker, fierce combo. Rog does has decent footsies, but he struggles to turn his pokes into anything significant. At least rolls making it hard to keep charge isn’t as much of an issue in 2013, it’s still relevant though.

Armour is good, but as Mike Ross has said a lot of times, it’s more of a gimmick than anything. You wont catch a good player doing something outside of a read and if you do get a read and chose to parry something they do with armour, you’re still taking a risk burning the bar. Meter is important in this game, it’s hard to just throw stuff out there like that, even if it’s safe. If you’re going to use EX to beat something it’s better just having flat invulnerability than armour as well. Not to mention experienced players know to throw whenever Rog flashes yellow in their face.

Rog has a really nice Super, but the thing about his Ultra in SFIV is that it’s free. It doesn’t burn bar. It’s also a huge part of his gameplan. You also take extra risks going for stuff like a low rush because of launch. It just seem a lot of what makes Rog good in SFIV is negated in SFxT.

I will see whether I will encounter these issues. Currently your points are based on theory crafting rather than actual gameplay.

I’ve played against Balrog players in SFxT and blown them up. I can’t name a single notable one though I can name a couple that have moved on from him because of his flaws.

“I’ve played against Law, Hwoarang and Chun players in SFxT and blown them up.” How is that a valid point for a character being strong or weak?
I’m quite positive that most Rog players are not using him to his full potential yet. I’m not excluding myself, that’s pretty much why I want to put some work into this character and find the actual limits. Coffee is definitely getting there though.

You said my points are based on theory crafting rather than actual gameplay.

I’ve played games against Balrog, and the points I made are still valid.

There’s a room for theory as well, especially when the points are logical.

When I say gameplay, I’m asking whether you actually used the character yourself. You can play against as many character x players as you want. It’s not an insightful way to determine how good the character is. How do you know that your opponent has been using his character to his full potential, when you hardly know anything about said character? Does your opponent know, what punish he can use at what times? Does he know the ranges and other properties of the characters’ normals? Does he space his specials in a way that makes them safe? Does he know how to play the match up?

Beating random Rog players means nothing. You have to use and study the character yourself for a valid verdict. That’s one of the reasons why I think that a lot of SFxT tier lists are useless. No practical and valid experience, just theory crafting. It’s not a coincidence when players place their main characters higher/lower in tier lists than the others would.

I’ve played Balrog a bit, but I’m not an expert on him. I’ve put lab time into the entire cast at this point and I’ve been on the SFxT forums since day dot.

If you’re doing well with Balrog it’s a credit to you and the game’s balance that he’s somewhat viable. I don’t think he’s the worst character in the game, but he’s down there.

This isn’t Marvel though, the bottom characters can compete. If you can find enough to lift him from depths I’m interested, but as it stands even if he’s not useless, he’s nothing special either.

Good video though, really solid production value.

[Rc_ON]

I can live with that as that’s where his position currently is. Some people see him as a mid tier character and I will be happy, if I can confirm that at least. He is fun to play though, so it’s fine either way. Maybe I will even see 2-3 more Rogs showing up. Just wanna promote this character.
Thanks for the kind words I will try to improve things in the next video.

[Akhos]

GGs to @SolidRose. Some good and fun games, loved the Akuma/Lili synergy.

…but holy CRAP Akuma dies fast. O.o

Also noticed you were rocking the 4x gems…I still wonder if that was an accidental or purposeful release. I’m surprised Capcom hasn’t addressed it yet.

[Rc_ON]

RC, you’re going to teach me how to use Balrog…might pair him up with Nina now that I can finally do her “other” post launch combo

I’m also going to learn Hugo

Edit: Elena is great, no one should be hating on her and feel the rhythm of the earth!

Whoa I missed your post, sorry about that. Can’t teach you much currently, since I’m learning too. I wonder whether you can connect a turn punch after ivory cutter. That damage would be beast!

[Cody_Guy18]

Also noticed you were rocking the 4x gems…I still wonder if that was an accidental or purposeful release. I’m surprised Capcom hasn’t addressed it yet.

EU PS Store:

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WSe9ugpXIw

Needs to get addressed but I don’t mind though. It’s funny, all other regions are probably drooling to get their hands on this.

[FengShuiEnergy]

I want my 4th gem slot. D:

[FrostyAU]

Starting tomorrow I might invest more time into discovering tech for my B team (still Dhalsim / Kuma)

I haven’t played much Kuma since vanilla and Sim is kinda fun.

It has got to the point there is an ocean between me and the top players but I can’t cross it because the average skill of the people I face is way too low to level up.

[Dex_Sama]

…but holy CRAP Akuma dies fast. O.o

Everyone dies fast vs Asuka

[Rc_ON]

No kill it with fire. I’m completely fine with the free gems and 3 slots. Might as well introduce gems that increase your maximum meter to 4. Does nobody see how this is gonna make DLC gem users even harder to fight? You can’t avoid getting hit by normals/specials when your opponent is good. There are gems that give you a whole bar for quick rising twice. Characters that have great tools which are limited and balanced with meter costs can suddenly go ham with it. A player has 10% of his first bar filled, gets a hit, gem activates and gives him instantly a bar to tag cancel into a round ending combo. Call me a salty scrub, but how is that fair?
The 4th slot will make it just worse and they might add a 5th one?

[FengShuiEnergy]

oh yes Juri with 2/3 speed gems and 2 meter gems…heheheheh

[Links]

Stuff about ini settings

Definitely going to try this. Although I am going to keep my resolution and antialiasing where they are since I get >200 fps as it is lol

[vgcraze]

No kill it with fire. I’m completely fine with the free gems and 3 slots. Might as well introduce gems that increase your maximum meter to 4. Does nobody see how this is gonna make DLC gem users even harder to fight? You can’t avoid getting hit by normals/specials when your opponent is good. There are gems that give you a whole bar for quick rising twice. Characters that have great tools which are limited and balanced with meter costs can suddenly go ham with it. A player has 10% of his first bar filled, gets a hit, gem activates and gives him instantly a bar to tag cancel into a round ending combo. Call me a salty scrub, but how is that fair?
The 4th slot will make it just worse and they might add a 5th one?

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. If they add a 4th gem slot, DLC gems will be even more trouble. As of now, gems most gems don’t bug me but a 4th gem can totally make a huge difference in gameplay. With each gem slot made available, the game can become increasingly more broken.

[Dex_Sama]

Guile is my dream SF4 character - No bullshit, pure zoning, gdlk normals… Why have I not started learning him sooner?

[Her0_of_Tim3]

It seems a lot of players hate Cody due to his frame traps. I hear the same thing in SSF4.

TBH Cody is scary to fight against if he has meter. Cr. LK xx HP Criminal Upper becomes 400+ damage with the right incoming character and a meter.

All I hear is complaining about his hop kick and how fast it recovers.

I hate that thing so much. When it’s done offline, punishing is so simple. But once you go online, ugh… I get jabbed out of my buttons into Bob/whatever incoming character. I hate that thing, I know it’s coming, I try to beat them to the punch and still lose. Maybe I should just EX GC/DP.

Akuma is annoying as shit. I kinda think his sweep is messed up. Sure it’s -12, but it has a lot of pushback on it. It almost makes it safe

Not against Law!

I feel Elena’s overhyped on the reach front. Not by much, but somewhat. Maybe I’m not using the right normals, but “eh”. I’m basically learning Elena from trial and error, atm. Q_Q

You’ll come around :P. She has like the craziest, most awkward to deal with normals. nj.HK is like on Bob levels, plus slide and f.HK. It’s not the most versatile set of hit boxes, but they’re all very…different and surprising >.<

Yo, my cousin was playing Ranked Matches and he ran into you. The first thing he said was, “Ugh… some D ranked player, I bet he doesn’t even know how to ABC.” I responded with, “I bet you his Bob bodies you fray.” Before you guys even readied up. He still won, but he was like why doesn’t he have more points?

Oh, and screw Elena, I hate her. In every game. Stupid, stupid face character with your retarded pokes/special moves.

[Her0_of_Tim3]

lili players…

http://31.media.tumblr.com/0ac5f2dee52480a4efd41b624d18113b/tumblr_mqtufdrl1N1r33r0fo1_r1_400.gif

Naw breh, I bet me and my cousin could get in there and bop that Vega back to ST. lol.

[Links]

Oh, and screw Elena, I hate her. In every game. Stupid, stupid face character with your retarded pokes/special moves.

See, I told you guys it’s possible to hate Elena. XD

Well, until people have anti-Elena tech, I’ll keep using her. Not that anti-Elena tech will stop me from playing her anyway.

[Swoops]

Yo, my cousin was playing Ranked Matches and he ran into you. The first thing he said was, “Ugh… some D ranked player, I bet he doesn’t even know how to ABC.” I responded with, “I bet you his Bob bodies you fray.” Before you guys even readied up. He still won, but he was like why doesn’t he have more points?

Oh, and screw Elena, I hate her. In every game. Stupid, stupid face character with your retarded pokes/special moves.

Yea, I’m a little out of practice since my ps3 was fried a couple weeks ago. Don’t worry, you can let him know I’ll be bodying him free next time so I don’t make you a liar

[SolidRose]

GGs to @SolidRose. Some good and fun games, loved the Akuma/Lili synergy.

…but holy CRAP Akuma dies fast. O.o

Also noticed you were rocking the 4x gems…I still wonder if that was an accidental or purposeful release. I’m surprised Capcom hasn’t addressed it yet.

Yeah even with like 1 fortitude and 1 iron wall gem in play my Akuma bit the dust fairly early as soon as you got momentum against me.

I think I did see a couple problems I was doing throughout after the set had concluded and I got some sleep over it. Being too auto-pilot on my mix-ups and game-play, missed AA opportunities, not blocking overheads in time, teching throws poor block punishment and quite a predictable defense. Shows I still got a long way to go in playing this game I suppose. I swear, I felt real crushed at one point once I couldn’t even break the deadlock of the win-streak you had on me and I think that also affected my mindset throughout the set. At one point, I was thinking along the lines of:

‘If he even touches me once, what chance do I even have to make a comeback?’

But hey what can one expect, I’m a stoic at heart. I picked these characters of my own volition knowing that they wouldn’t be easy to play against people. One mistake and it can be over quickly. So there’s no arguing that point across, I suppose I just gotta take it and keep grinding it out.

As for the 4x gems, I kinda tend to just throw gem types in there and hope they all work together well, optimizing my gem load-outs should be something I should consider in future but hey I suppose gems don’t make the player, it’s the player first then the gems second. Still don’t know why they haven’t released a statement regarding it, maybe the EU PSN store had some problems and just leaked it out there.

Either way it does strengthen the argument for Capcom to just release a complete edition of the game in my opinion with all of the DLC on there from the start at a reduced price. That way, it’ll at least divert some of the negative stigma surrounding the game at this point.

[FengShuiEnergy]

auto-pilot on mix-ups? how can you do that?

[Thancruz]

GGs to @SolidRose. Some good and fun games, loved the Akuma/Lili synergy.

…but holy CRAP Akuma dies fast. O.o

Also noticed you were rocking the 4x gems…I still wonder if that was an accidental or purposeful release. I’m surprised Capcom hasn’t addressed it yet.

Yeah even with like 1 fortitude and 1 iron wall gem in play my Akuma bit the dust fairly early as soon as you got momentum against me.

I think I did see a couple problems I was doing throughout after the set had concluded and I got some sleep over it. Being too auto-pilot on my mix-ups and game-play, missed AA opportunities, not blocking overheads in time, teching throws poor block punishment and quite a predictable defense. Shows I still got a long way to go in playing this game I suppose. I swear, I felt real crushed at one point once I couldn’t even break the deadlock of the win-streak you had on me and I think that also affected my mindset throughout the set. At one point, I was thinking along the lines of:

‘If he even touches me once, what chance do I even have to make a comeback?’

But hey what can one expect, I’m a stoic at heart. I picked these characters of my own volition knowing that they wouldn’t be easy to play against people. One mistake and it can be over quickly. So there’s no arguing that point across, I suppose I just gotta take it and keep grinding it out.

As for the 4x gems, I kinda tend to just throw gem types in there and hope they all work together well, optimizing my gem load-outs should be something I should consider in future but hey I suppose gems don’t make the player, it’s the player first then the gems second. Still don’t know why they haven’t released a statement regarding it, maybe the EU PSN store had some problems and just leaked it out there.

Either way it does strengthen the argument for Capcom to just release a complete edition of the game in my opinion with all of the DLC on there from the start at a reduced price. That way, it’ll at least divert some of the negative stigma surrounding the game at this point.

Nope damage has been done, game can’t ever recover…stream monsters and fgc have spoken /kappa