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I caught Sagat’s stHK with Kage’s sthp he def needs more exploring from our japanese overlords …Daigo or Tokido pls

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His s.HP is 6F start up which is same speed as Cammy’s s.HP. One of the other fastest heavy buttons in the game. Has 3 more frames of recovery on whiff and is a bit more unsafe on block, but it’s meant to be a counter poke/whiff punish button any way and plenty good for that.

It’s basically one of those broken James Chen video rant buttons. V ism use anywhere prox button.

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People would have been more impressed with that shadow of a hobo that doesn’t shower if it was actually Dan and he had taunts.
That thing is top 15 for sure, but it has none of Dan’s charisma, so people are not interested in it, as it is a smelly shadow of a smelly hobo that doesn’t shower.

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Yeah I didn’t give a shit about him until I played against a few people that were using him. I noticed like even basic ass Kages were giving me a run for my money and that’s the sign of a character that’s already too stupid. Day one Cody, Sagat or G didn’t give me anywhere near as much trouble.

Messed around with him and now seeing more shit. First true c.MK fireball too stronk. s.HP you can just buffer in neutral and at closer ranges or off block strings good for reaction whiff punishes. VT2 turns him into another if he farts on you press 2 buttons and bad things happen character.

I don’t even like Dan. As much as I hate Rufus, at least he was a viable joke character for a good deal of the SFIV. Dan has always been as. Even Sean was strong in 2 out of his 3 appearances.

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VT2 is another -2 move where he dies if Gief blocks and CA.
He can’t even press a button after it or Gief SPDs him hard and he dies.
Kage is just stupid and not in the good way of the word.

Dan is a mix of Ryo and Robert Garcia with no ki left, so I am obliged to love him.
The fact that he wears pinks only makes it worse.
Dan is the best.

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Yeah luckily he’s one character that can deal with random misogi, but misogi is mainly best as punishment or conversion tool. Although against most of the cast a move like that only being minus 2 on block is still kinda stupid.

Other than that it converts off of literally every button or special move he has so it pretty much turns every move he has into hard knockdown into shenanigans.

At least they didn’t give him 900 stun like glass Akuma, but he is still stupid and annoying.
Couldn’t Capcom start season 4 with an actually interesting character instead of a near top 10 one that has zero appeal and dies to Gief?

IMO he already does better vs Gief than Akuma. His s.HK is the type of button you need vs Gief that Akuma doesn’t have and the red fireballs are serviceable vs him. c.MK fireball and his sweep can keep the s.HP stuff in check also. Probably loses, but likely does better than Akuma

Fishing for cr mk into tatsu is pretty good because you can confirm it into tatsu on hit (on reaction). Buffering into hadoken is pretty good too because the pushback means your completely safe.

But that and v skill (used defensively) is pretty much the only good thing about the char in neutral. Whatever kage does in neutral other shoto characters do better. Sakura’s st lk into dp now gives oki on quickrise, akuma’s st mk is better in every way. Akuma’s crmk also starts in 6 frames, has same range and if the opponent blocks the fireball from range you’re +8. There are different setups you can do just like with kage. It’s nothing wallbreaking.

Akuma has a pretty decent fireball game which pretty much makes him far better at the matchup. Akuma’s st hp and cr hp are also useful against zangief. In regards to kage’s normals, st hk is only slightly better than akuma’s and ryu’s. On balance it’s worse. Playing akuma and ryu i feel like i have options, with kage almost none.
Edit: btw kage’s st hp has 23 frames of recovery. Wouldnt recommend buffering that in neutral all the time.

You see the problem with this is that those intros would likely still be about 15 seconds long so everyone would likely just skip that shit :slightly_frowning_face:

I don’t think people would be as quick to skip the intros if there were some unique interactions there.

Ryu vs Ken
Juri vs Chun
Guile vs Nash
Etc

The difference with Rufus and Sean is that, as you say, they were at least meant to be viable. Even F.A.N.G arguably falls into that category. Capcom might have had no respect for him, but his balance issues are most likely more that Capcom has issues with balance than a case of Capcom intentionally sabotaging him.

Capcom intentionally set out to make Dan bad. It has been outright said in the past that, just as Akuma was meant to be overpowered, Dan was meant to be underpowered. (Back when Capcom openly defended having unbalanced characters in the Alpha series.)

Dan is capcom clowning on SNK.

Dan should always be forever wack.

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If it was a longer button it’d be more a problem, but because s.HP is designed as short counter poke button not much is going to hit you on whiff from far any way while you can still clip buttons being thrown at you. If you use it smart it’s plenty fine for neutral especially considering reward.

As for Gief matchup, there’s no reason to feel you have almost no options. I already posted a video earlier that shows he’s plenty fine vs Gief.

Gief is slow as balls so red fireball is a real thing vs him and s.HK keeps his jump game honest. Not to mention all of Kage’s grounded AA’s are pretty much infalliable vs him (and vs most other characters if they’re not going for cross up and even then).

That bandana looks stupid as fuck around his neck. Give that boi a proper scarf if he has to have something around his neck.

It’s not a bandana, it is Ryu’s head band.

Which is silly on its own, as it obviously hasn’t just fallen to around Kage’s neck. He’d have to have taken the headband off, then carefully, loosely, wrapped it around his neck in a manner that keeps it in place.

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As a player if your defence is good or above average in this game, G is a good character for you.

I really hope we see more pro players use him in the pro tour. Maadd character!

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