The neutral of SFIV is just an emulated version of the neutral in ST/Alpha 2/CVS2 and I believe those games do it better with better hit boxes. SFIV started the make everything fair with hurtboxes thing. I don’t really have any fondness of the neutral in that game because when it came out I was already playing other Capcom games with neutral like it before. It wasn’t anything better at the time than what we were already playing.
I’ve already accepted that newer Dimps SF games are just going to have more corporate hit boxes and neutral.
Stuff like focus gets redundant when Elena abuses the shit out of it for healing and characters like Adon are walking focus breakers. Plus too much emphasis on lights that convert into the whole world which isn’t as common in those games.
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Cipher
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Yeah as special as him sitting there watching Nemo troll the shit out of him, while being completly helpless.
The people who played SFIV like it was SFIV showed what a compelte trainwreck that game was.
And here you are celebrating that someone played your waifu and made Top 8 with her, now the game is perfect.
SFIV Neutral was shit, because of Focus alone. If I want a Neutral SF I go for ST or Alpha2 and even STs Neutral is flawed because of shit like Vega walldive 50/50.
When anime is more honest than SF you know something is wrong.
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Skort
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Adon’s st hk was a two hitting fireball.
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If I was playing SFIV post Super I’d be using Adon for sure. T.Hawk and Adon were 2 of the best characters for getting the most pay out without having to actually play SFIV.
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Akhos
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No one’s saying SF4 was perfect
We’re just saying it had better neutral options as a whole and many things we like about it over SF5
Personally it didn’t get good until we got Elena buttoning and healing people into a fit of rage but that’s just me 
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I’ve got no problems with a mechanic that is structured -
Absorbs one hit
Crumples
Cancels
Loses to armour breaker
Throw
Two in one
As opposed to
Cancelled into V trigger
Tough shit.
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Activation Genei Jin tough shit. Least it works good.
Akhos
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Give Sagat whiff fireball xx VTC
Who says Kings need to be honest
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Cipher
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I prefere a mechanic that damages zoning,poking and the neutral overall over a dumb comeback mechanik.
You would have to compare Focus to V-Skills anyway.
Capcom can’t make universal mechanics and universal tools.
Everyones focus was different, everyones Ultra was different.
Same with the V-System, of course this breads imbalance, since you cannot balance this system out in the first place.
Well I agree with you there. The basics of the game was that your v-skill was to build your v meter.
Whiff fireball VTC is reserved for cheap ass characters like Juri and Akuma. It is the responsibility of the king to control neutral and be honest.
Akhos
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Balance is overrated
What matters more is if characters have fun, varied, and interesting tools. The players make it work from there. V-skills and V-triggers were a nice idea on paper for this reason…but it’s less about the balance between characters and more that they just didn’t execute the idea very well.
Making varied characters inevitably leads to some imbalanced match-ups, but far more interesting interactions to learn and master.
Something Capcom is scared of.
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Estarix
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You can already do that in vt2. You can get a combo if you dash in after a hit.
That’s why I prefer V Triggers to ultras. More fun and more unique per character. Ultras even if they’re competitively better are just super 2s and that makes me fall asleep. Plus in tournaments often enough would just see them for yolo wake up fishing.
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Skort
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Yo I just found out what they gonna add for Sagat’s vskill 2
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You can hit cancel VTC, but not whiff cancel. Juri and Akuma I believe are the only 2 characters that can truly whiff a fireball from a range and VTC.
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Eskills
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Y’all making miss that shitty game. 
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Skort
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I remember getting so mad at SF4 once I took a month break from it.
Never was I this happy and sad the same time.
At least low tier and mid tiers could actually win against the whole cast with good footsies and decision making unlike SFV where most of the cast are considered obsolete cause they don’t have retarded vtriggers
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