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Interesting that there is a piece with E Honda there
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20 years on, do you still get the Wayne’s World joke? That’s the first thing that ran through my head.
She did get worse for sure. Enough to make it noticible imo , which means she was pretty busted before ( which we knew).
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I think she’s still nearly top tier. She’s just too good at not having to deal with the game, but can play the game also.
I played a decent one, the match wasn’t free for her anymore. Getting a lifelead and then protecting is way easier now, before you’d find yourself too far behind then she would pop V.
I think she definitely dropped.
Yeah anime all the time Menat is gone, but I feel J.Wong do nothing Menat is still about top or at worse the top of high mid.
I feel she’s like Cammy where the changes just adjust how people play more than the character itself.
I think the nerf to the st hp ( think it’s that button) makes it quite a bit less spammy.
If I had to guess I’d say Wong will run Karin. Has he said anything?
Doubt Wong will run Karin, think Menat is still is his pick
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He said he thinks Karin is top tier early when S4 launched, but I still think Menat is more his play style. Menat wasn’t all nerfs either. Her s.MP got better and that was already one of the main buttons they spammed that can defeat some characters on its own.
Menat is more his play style in general so he should stick to her. Karin requires too much execution for the lack of being able to win by just playing neutral. Menat is about the best character in the game still at winning by just doing things in neutral. The character got changed to cater to his play style so he might as well stick with her.
Maybe bust out Karin for a few of Menat’s worst matchups, but Menat lets him play more like 3S Chun than Karin does. There’s no point in being another worse than Punk or CJ Truth Karin.
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If playing at maximum levels of lame, is Menat or Falke better?
Menat overall. She has better mix up while still being able to lame and her plus on block jabs and 3 frame are enough to keep enough characters at bay for a while.
Falke’s upperhand is that she has better overall defensive tools (very invincible EX reversal that touches near the top of the screen, a real V Reversal with long range, super that covers anti air) and can convert off her heavy buttons which allows her to do better vs characters like Akuma and Cammy who haphazardly run around the spots Menat likes to control. Overall though you get more bang for your buck with Menat’s ability to rushdown during her zone and once they get enough of a life lead they can just sit on it.
J.Wong stuck to Menat over Falke during S3 for obvious reasons and even with the changes Menat still technically gets more for her money being lame. The best character in the game at being lame and winning off of it. It’s just Falke does a bit better at controlling the vertical space vs certain characters and isn’t as shit out of luck if most of the cast gets right next to her compared to Menat (though the whole point of Menat is to not let them get that close).
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Menat but Falke can do better in a couple match-ups, dealing with certain air approaches, her AA game reaches mad far and only needs PP input so she can reliably tag divekicks and other bullshit.
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I really dislike that Falke doesn’t have a proper horizontal fireball option on the ground, her crouching release total frames are silly and it has a tendency to still get hit by fireballs as she stands back up. If she had a real fireball, she’d be nuts.
I can still never get over the fact that the best MvC2-player is now known for “not having good execution”, at least when it comes to SF.
People relate him just using buttons to win to having bad execution, he just rarely gets situations to land a full flash combo because he’s busy keeping you fullscreen.
His orb usage is usually based on defensive/keepout play too, I haven’t seem him use it for mixes much.
As for Falke vs Menat: Menat still seems better. Falke’s very straightforward to pick up, however, and definitely not bad now aside from a few matchups that can really go fuck themselves. Menat takes more work but has a higher ceiling, her VT-stuff in particular sets them apart here.
Also, Falkes shots are more harassment/counter zoning tools than an actual fireballs. For ranged tools, she has the long stick she hits people with.
Yeah she has the stick but the problem I see happening a lot is Falke’s having to commit to v-skills and crouch fireballs late if the opponent throws a light version, and then getting jumped on because of them needing to wait until it hits a certain point.
She can’t really throw anything at range to fight the plasma.
I wouldn’t say falke has problems with fireballs, not real problems.
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Yeah, she deals with plasma just fine imo. I do agree there are legit fireball tactics against her though.
Limbs characters, on the other hand…
Highland, could you give me some advice on the Gat - Karin MU? I struggle. Her EX command dash hurts his ability to throw plasma, so I try and play the close game but her buttons/walk make that pretty hellish too. There isn’t a range where he feels comfy. Each match is always by skin of teeth tbh.