Yeah that’s what I was thinking too - a player ranking system only works really well if there’s an established central organization for TOs to report to, and an understanding that you should send your tourney results to there. It’s funny - I’ve played in one chess tournament in my life (I was 10, thought I was Bobby Fischer, lost every game to people who were around 40-60, cried, and retired on the spot) but I still have an entry on some chess website where it lists what tournament I played in and the results of my games.
If the FGC had something similar to that it would be cool. I think it would be pretty motivating for certain kinds of players too. If there’s a feeling in the community that a players Elo rating accurately describes his strength, people would be much more interested in player rankings and improving themselves.
yeah I played competitive magic for a long time, and you could track your ELO and see where you were ranked regionally/nationally/globally by format. You could easily see your points gained/loss for win-loss-draw, and bigger tournaments had publically posted Kratings so a small local tournament would at max let you lose/gain 8 points for a loss/win but more difficult tournaments would be `16-64 etc.
eventually they scrapped that but it’s worked great for chess/go/etc. I remember when there were rumors of the card system coming to console, and I was super excited, but it never came to pass.
Hey Acku! I found a mistake in the USF4 EVO results rankings ( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/rank/index ). Let´s take Henry Cen( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/player/playerDetails?name=Henry+Cen ) as an example. He made it out of his pool in losers, got two byes, beat one player and was eliminated afterwards. He’s listed as 193rd in your rank. Let’s take another player, Yuto “Stoz” Lee ( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/player/playerDetails?name=Yuto+Lee ) as another example. Stoz got out of his pool in losers too, only got one bye, and then was eliminated without wining a game in quarters. Yet he’s listed as being 129th. Henry got TWO byes and beat one guy in quarters before his elimination, yet a gut that only had one bye and didn’t beat anyone afterwards is listed before him. There are plenty more other similar examples where you can see how those particular ranks are clearly wrong.
You are correct about that
I tested this up to SEMIS, but it seems that people in quarters are not correctly ranked. I’ll try to get it fixed, not that it matters much now but just because it was an awful bug
Aside from the obvious oddities here, let me touch up on something else…Tochigin went up 35 spots, so I went to look up why. The reason was that Evo 2015 BlazBlue was worth a ton of points…It is important to distinguish that just because Evo might be the largest tournament in the world and possibly has the largest overall amount of top players, this does not mean it holds true for every game at Evo.
Taking a more obvious example…Vampire Savior. If you were doing a ranking for Vampire Savior, the tournament at Evo would be worth almost nothing because there was only one Japanese player in it (Haitani) and the rest of the players (even MightyMar, who is America’s best player and a strong Anakaris) are not really on the level of Japan’s players.
Similarly, BlazBlue was also not a mainstage game - it did not attract many top players across the world. You had some amazing and some good Japanese players but overall it is just your average BlazBlue tourney - a Mixup Night tournament has a much bigger collection of top players than the Evo one. Why was this given such a large weight - just because it was at Evo? It was a side tourney without most of the world’s top players.
It is tournaments like the Arcsys Revolution Cup(coming up this weekend), that need to be weighted for BlazBlue the way Evo is weighted for SF4 and Marvel. Last year’s BlazBlue was a mainstage game and had the talent to back that up, not this year’s Evo. The weighting should be greatly reduced.
The Dizzy that competed in UMvC3 is Mexican and goes by Miguel Osornio.
The Dizzy that plays MKX, Injustice and KI is American and goes by Aaron Davis (sponsored by GGA).
These are two different players. Please fix this pronto.
The marvel/persona/anime game Kubo and the SF player Kubo are not the same player. The SF4 player that plays Hugo, is called StormKUBO and has nothing to do with the other Kubo.
You can see that by just comparing what the StormKUBO guy looked like in today’s tournament to what Kubo looks like:
Marvel/Anime Kubo:
USF4 StormKUBO(guy in orange at the end of the video)
The third Osaka Topanga Ranking battle was also played a while back.
Matsuri (Chun-Li)
Hishou (Sagat, Abel)
MCZ|Mago (Yang, Fei Long)
Rokkun (Seth)
wao (Oni)
BE|Nemo (Rolento)
Vista (Decapre)
Tamayuu (Vega)
Also CodyNP who came 13th at the Taiwan qualifier is from Honk Kong and is the same player as Cody, Codynip, Cody Ng and CodyP, so he should be higher up in the Pro Tour rankings than he currently is. Gonzalez the Seth player is also on the rankings as HY.
yes it is, it was costing too much money to keep it up. Most people have found what they were looking for. IF for any special request I can boot it up for a day
The marvel/persona/anime game Kubo and the SF player Kubo are not the same player. The SF4 player that plays Hugo, is called StormKUBO and has nothing to do with the other Kubo.
You can see that by just comparing what the StormKUBO guy looked like in today’s tournament to what Kubo looks like:
Marvel/Anime Kubo:
USF4 StormKUBO(guy in orange at the end of the video)
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This hasn’t been changed…Kubo and Stormkubo are not the same players.
Notice that Kubo tweets about Marvel and Airdasher games, while StormKUBO has Hugo as his Twitter pic. This proves that they are two different players.
This automated system is either going to need an overhaul or there is going to be need a reasonable amount of manual intervention. Some of these tournament weights are coming out to be quite absurd. Ultra Hyakkishu Cup is rated an “International” the same a minor EGX in Europe.
The fatal flaw being extremely exposed. If a high rated player doesnt place, the system acts like he didnt participate, and diminishes the rating of the event. Ergo, the only way for a tournament to be highly rated, is if already highly rated players place well in it, this is obviously a completely nonsensical system that only accomplishes a self-serving of top players by inflating their reputation to impossible standards.
It’s bad enough that points are ridiculously punished when just a few of the top weight 10 players dont play, but this tournament was crapped on in the weights simply because Xian a rank 10, and several other top notch players like Poongko (rank 9) Eita (rank 9) etc, didnt place. This tournament, by all means, mathematically should be a premier 5(because Daigo and Infiltration didnt compete to make it Premier Mandatory) but it’s not even that…it’s rated the same as EU minors and the likes of Northwest Majors… utterly ridiculous.
Players who participated in this and placed well are cheated out of around 200 ranking points on average just because the top players that inflate the weight underperformed.
It’s what me and others have been pointing out many times. Despite bringing up these points, there has been no acknowledgement that there is an issue from Acku. If anything, he seemed to have dismissed everything on the basis that he claims there is a bias towards international (mainly Japanese) players.
The tournament weighting used for this ranking system is an absolute joke - there is no redeeming point that can be made regarding it. Why have a ranking system that is blatantly inaccurate and just serves as a source of comedy? And as bad as that is, lets not even bring up the blazblue rankings:
The Japanese BlazBlue scene is so high that you can say there probably isn’t one person outside of Japan who is in the top 50 (SKD is debatable). The rankings don’t reflect this because for whatever reason, American tournaments that have 1-2 Japanese players (and in most cases, NO Japanese players) are given huge weightings.
Edit: And how many times does it need to be stated that Kubo and Stormkubo are not the same player? In the Ultra Hyakkishu Cup, you once again put Kubo in the results, when it was StormKubo who attended.
