Man, I can just keep quoting you all day, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
It works especially well when you quote half a sentence, and pay no attention to the actual message.
hm i think Call1800lokknez is right. Im not saying its good ,but i do belueve that is the way it works in this country.
I mean in theory, could one of the female players get a lawyer and sue evo and/or its staff for the way the comentators made her feel in front of thousands of people? Hmmm… i think so…it is the woman that has all the power in determining what is, and what isnt, sexual harassment this day and age. I mean how would a sponser feel knowing it helped an event that had “Something” to do with a sexual harassment case?
leave it up to the judges and lawyers to suck out all the fun of everything. this is why we cant have nice things.
- It is not okay to comment on how cute women are when they’re there to measure skill at a game.
- It is not okay to make generalizations about how female players act.
- It is not okay to constantly compare women’s skills only to other female players.
- It is not okay to patronise female players with excessive compliments when clearly their skill doesn’t warrant it, because they are female.
- It is not okay to satisfy your creepy voyeuristic urges using the stream camera.
all of those are perfectly fine. Stay posting.
I kind of understand HAV a little bit. There are pros to having a bigger scene but lets not forgetthe cons. Take a look at EVO’s stream, they were trying to keep the language clean, yet on smaller steams you have people cursing and syaing ridiculous things like Chris Hu. Yet most people likes Chirs Hu’s commentary and he makes it intersting to and more appealing to watch. As things get bigger more money gets involved and those that are involved in the money making will naturally set more regulations. With that said let me get on topic with the OP, as the scene get bigger it things will probably get more regulated. As it moves forward its an ever changing process depending on the situation. With the current demographic of viewers, for the majority, its fine. As it changes so will everything else.
Quoted for truth. The commentator and the camera man were in the wrong. Even if you entirely discount any ill-will on their part, what are sponsors (usually corporate) going to think of it? What are people watching on the G4 stream going to think who aren’t around the scene? It doesn’t help.
So random people with no affiliation to the scene matter more than those not only participating, but being leaders in the scene, and providing free streams nationwide?
It doesn’t help what? What is this major agenda that I’m missing?
Do you think Mr. Wizard and the rest of the Evo crew want the scene to grow, want Evo to grow? Do you think those blatant displays of sexism support that goal or work against it?
blatant displays of sexism.
By your logic, the “scene” should still be playing vanilla SFII exclusively, because some people quit when later iterations happened, and that changed the scene ever-so-slightly. Maybe the changes have been slow, but aside from a handful of players, the old SFII scene is hardly related to the current SSFIV one. Don’t even get me started on other important games. Quit living in the past.
Is there anything wrong with professional gaming being a largely male sport (Side note: It should be noted that the majority of videogame players are female)? Not at all. Does the demographic justify misogyny? Hardly.
EDIT: That said, I don’t take offense with what the cameraman did, only the comments about beating / getting beaten by female gamers. It might be true, but it was an unprofessional comment to make.
I’m sort of agreeing with HAV here, but not on such an extreme scale. It is important for it to grow, but not at the expense of what it represents. The scene is not supposed to change. The scene has been created a long time ago and that’s how a lot players, the ones who really matter, not random xbl dude, see it and want it to be.
Now, of course this doesn’t condone “BLATANT DISPLAYS OF SEXISM”, but if you did see any of that displayed on stream at this years EVO, then you either have a fuckng stick up your ass or you were enjoying these same “sexist displays” that you assumed to be there.
It is only sexual if you see it as so. And if you see it as so, you should get out more.
They probably do both. People might go for the hot gamer chicks and others might be disgusted like you and hopefully, very hopefully, go away.
wheres the pics of the bitches?
I’m still waiting for you to explain how decrying sexism then demanding special treatment for women isn’t contradictory. Seriously, grow up.
Better yet, do you not see the discriminatory nature behind your white knighting? We don’t need a fucking chaperon.
Guess I agree with parts of that. Keits was saying something about he hates playing girls, etc., and all I heard him say was “they”, so I took it as him talking about women, which was tiresome. And the stream was horrific, because if a girl lost, it was “GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN,” and if she won, it was “Why’d he let her win?”
It’s a problem with the gaming subculture, though, not really just SRK or EVO or whatever; you’d be amazed at how many drooling chimps don’t know how to deal with a moderately attractive girl walking into the local Gamestop or Best Buy. It’s something that’ll just take time to fix. Until then, just do something about it when you can do more than post on a forum where you should already realize people are gonna be antagonistic towards you for talking about it. I mean, if you’re there and someone says it in the crowd, check them. Don’t cry about a stream because you can’t actually do shit about it but get in a fruitless e-argument with people.
I regret typing this now, as this whole thing is pointless.
EDITED TO ADD:
In other words, if the girl is good enough to be at EVO, let’s just focus on whether she can play and not whether she’s pretty and all this other crap about her gender. I wouldn’t care if someone showed up with the physical form of Shuma-Gorath as long as they could play. Don’t be nice because she’s a girl, don’t be accusatory and bring up stupid crap because she’s a girl.
And don’t zoom in on girls for awkward amounts of time. I’d like to add this to include overweight people, too. I just don’t wanna see people treated like shit or differently for some stupid shit like weight or gender. We’re here to enjoy fighting games; let’s just do that.
Apparently the OP thinks that writing in an incredibly pretentious way makes his argument better. Really, just shut the fuck up, pussy.
Sign on if you add “don’t make shitty white knighting threads on SRK because of girls”
after all the comments they made about tatsu, this whole argument is void.
lmao
It was sexism and it was blatant - not everyone saw it but the cameraman spent five minutes zooming in on every girl in the room and putting it on the big screen. When some of the girls saw they were being watched they were clearly very uncomfortable.
Even if you completely disagree that it was wrong and think it was the greatest thing ever, do you think that MrWizard and the rest of the Evo people wish this had happened or not happened? It’s the top thread in the Evo forum during Evo.
Maybe it’s just because I have always worked for big corporations but even the hint of sexism is completely unacceptable to them. I’d rather Evo and the scene be able to attract big sponsors and attract a diversity of new players than not.
Or we could all just act like we’re 15 years old or pretend that it isn’t 2010.