For a casual of course not. For people who want him to be viable competitively and make a dent in tournaments its very bad.
I’m sorry, but what? There’s plenty of people playing 'sim and other mid to lower tier characters that do just fine in tournaments. It sounds like Capcom has only adjusted him to require more focused play in order to win.
/waah
We don’t care about those people.
So what’s the problem really? Good players who are dissatisfied with Sagat will switch to a new top tier character. I guess it sucks that they’ll have to learn a whole new character but I’m sure people will manage.
i understand that suck under the sagat player point of view,but for the game/cast balancement is’nt better have a good Sagat instead an overpowered Sagat?
I mean,i don’t like so much the double nerf (and i don’t main him,i use Dictator)
The health drop to 1000 was enough imho,without touching the damage… so was still really really good used by skilled players,but was a lot weaker used by retards 
Maybe is’nt a perfect adjustment,but i think that is better than leave him at god tier
Oh, dudes totally. I personally don’t give a FUCK what tier Sagat lands in. I don’t agree with his nerfs at all though and I think Capcom did things stupidly. Honestly my nerf list actually addressed the things that put him above other chars like damage on his ultra set-ups, his rh, hitboxes on TK and rh, stun and damage on step rh, etc.
Seems like they took the cop out route by fucking with his health. Let’s take away something he needs that isn’t even a leading cause as to why he gets wins, just because we can. It’s fuckin retarded.
Nail in the coffin as that st.short cancel. They basically assured this man will not see top 3. Hell maybe not even top 5. It was completely stupid and in this game it’s not broke since max range low short cancel into TS can be fucking JUMPED out of or FADCed through. Shit is just dumb.
But what was I saying…oh yeah I don’t care if Gat gets nerfed. I main top tier, not Sagat after all. I really should hurry up and finish posting the rest of my Sagat knowledge though in my thread before it goes to waste.
BTW Sim does well in tourney because he has a shitload of even match-ups.
indeed. I think Sagat is going to be more like Zangief in SSF4. He’ll still be kinda strong, but will have some totally assbackwards matches where he will just get bulldozed. Standing short nerf really was a bit too much, in my opinion. I still have hopes that it’s bullshit, though. I have yet to see a video of his new s.short.
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whoops, 3:19 he tries to cancel far standing short into tiger knee and it looks like it doesnt work.
edit: this was supposed to be an edit. 
Are you seriously suggesting geif might have a 6/4 matchup in his favor against sagat? Do you even play this game?
He’s actually suggesting the exact opposite.
^^Indeed.
I really don’t think the health nerf was needed, but I do agree with redcued damage and fixed forward roundhouse. That move was just stupidly good. What truly makes Sagat a monster isn’t his health or his damage, its his ridiculous spacing game. Kara-TU and Kara TS’s can zone you out all day. Jumping over a TS from full screen? Kara TU > F+RH > Ultra. Too ridiculous.
Sagat will still have that amazing spacing game, only this time he has less health and not-so-powerful attacks. I think he’ll live.
Ask Mago what he prefers. Kara’s, 1000 Stamina, and slightly less damage overall or 1100 Stamina, damage output the same, and no Kara’s. You’d be suprised what his answer would be.
the standing lk not being cancallable hurts him a bit, hurts his offensive game, i’ll miss doing s.LK to Tiger knee loops.
I agree with the above. If his tools are practically identical to its current iteration, I don’t really see him being too affected tiers wise. Maybe not top 3, but unviable? Certainly not. Dhalsim does good because his zoning game is universal, imo, and he does well against shotos.
I play Bison too, and I find it demoralizing how he excels just as well when zoning as he does close range. I have yet to find this range I’m supposed to control when standing afar means eating tigers and standing close means eating safe TKs all day.
Though capcom did say they’d rather buff the low tiers than nerf the top, seeing how they handled Sagat doesn’t exactly aspire confidence…
pretty ambiguous from the post. Even 6/4 for sagat is a fantasy.
^^^What exactly did they do to forward round house?
It does seem they went too far, but maybe his scar move will be godlike. Really all he needed was some damage nerfs in some spots, and I think a slower S.rh (5 frames and 2 hits is fucking retarded wtf capcom). Maybe also make his c.lp have 4 frame startup instead of 3…he should be at a clear disadvantage once someone is in.
The thing is capcom couldn’t allow Sagat to still be top tier after so much bitching, it’d just look bad so almost anytime there is a clear top tier you can bet they’re getting nerfed to hell in the next version.
Honestly I’d love to see where tiers would be without FADC safe dps. That shit is what really breaks Sagat and Ryu imo, especially Sagat. His zoning game is so good that Sagat has to really be fucking up not to earn 2 bars off fireball chip etc. Tiger uppercut has such horrible recovery that without FADC Sagat would be eating a fuckton of damage everytime it was blocked, but in SF4 too often he can make it safe and that’s where it just becomes unfair.
It’d be nice if instead of a clear top tier all the time…there would be a character like Sagat or Chun in sf3 who though they have so many matchups in their favor, have one or 2 HORRIBLE matchups. Like a character almost designed to beat them. Would make the game and tournaments more interesting imo. It just sucks that top tier characters pretty much never actually have 1 bad matchup and are a simple beat-all solution.
They didn’t touch forward rh. I’m saying if it was up to me then I would have nerfed that. I would of nerfed the dumb shit and gave him realistic buffs. Fuck a new move. Give low forward and low short slightly more range. That woulda been great. Tone down the ridiculousness and give him some small buffs that will actually have a small but very interesting impact on his game.
Its is VERY BAD. Why? Becuse then Ryu would become top tier.
Then we have MORE Ryu players online. How fun is that? No fun at all, Ryu is so easy everyone can use him. Sagat is mutch harder.
Really, who would you ppl rather have as top tier, Ryu or Sagat?
I say Sagat
What did you expect them to say? “Sagat’s gonna get nerfed lol, better practice with a new character in vanilla!”.
LOL! All these threads about current top tier characters crack me up. It’s like a bunch of people arguing about who has the better Mercedes while other dudes driving a Chevy Cavalier are asking if there will be an aftermarket GPS add-on that doesn’t look too dumb.
Also, Ultras have made people blind. All these matches aren’t 5-5 or 6-4. This game isn’t that balanced. Some characters outright rape other characters. Once you beat them up a bit, if you never let them land their ultra on you it doesn’t become an even-ish match.