You shouldn’t even speculate on what Keno said. He was playing an unfinished Super Street Fighter IV, and anything can be changed within the final days of going gold.
nah I don’t really hate Sagat, Ryu is my major gripe in this game, but sagat is straight up overpowered and even with a few MINOR nerfs he’ll still be top tier…maybe not first, but top 3.
Anyways, it’s not like akuma doesn’t have to worry about sagat…i gotta hit multiple 1 frame links, all the sagat player has to do is mash TU hoping for an error and bam, 600 damage…You’re acting like sagat is a free win for akuma, it ain’t like that…
I definantly question this move, forget applying any sort of pressure to sagat when he has 1 EX bar… God forbid you want to get damage on him… Sucks for people without anything to damage characters besides their limbs.
EDIT:
I just thought of a really ludicrous proposition. What if Sagat can scar cancel? I. E. TU -> Scar -> F. RH on Hit / Nothing on block - > Ultra. Basically like an FADC but only with one EX bar xD. I would love the hate that would stem from that.
Ok, it damn sure ain’t free. I have beaten solid Gouki’s in tourney and one of the stronger Gouki’s in my area in tourney. But they were hard fought matches. Also any Sagat worth his Salt isn’t gonna mash TU vs Gouki. If that shit gets baited Sagat is gonna feel serious pain and then get vortexed.
I know Sagat is OP but he DAMN sure ain’t the only OP character in the game.
Everyone has hard matches, lots of them, sagat has only one really “difficult” one (Akuma) and a lot of matchups where he straight up crushes the other character. Gouki has to fight pretty hard in all matches except a few dumb ones like abel where you can just go nuts. Ryu…hmnnn, well, he’s not OP but he’s too damn easy to use (a lot easier than sagat) and win with his godlike footsies and easy as fuck comboable ultra.
Considering both sagat and gouki got nerfed, there will be a lot more ryu players in SSF4 since his nerfs are borderline ridiculous if compared to the other 2 “S” tiers.
lol@ Ryu players crying over two hit SRK when Gouki and Sagat have bigger shit to worry about. Gouki has worse footsies now and Sagat has worse footsies, health reduction and damage reduction. Ryu players should be shot for whining about a change that honestly can be debated as a nerf or not.
Edit: Everyone has bad match-ups? Who are Gouki and Ryu’s bad match-ups? I’m honestly curious.
I know, right? They’re acting like Ryu is suddenly not gonna be high tier anymore, lol. I sincerely doubt they’re taking away his Ultra I setups or nerfing his overall damage output on his normal combos too much.
Sagat’s lost 100 health and a good portion of his damage output reportedly. Not that I’m complaining about that as a Sakura mainer, but I can see the disparity. It’s laughable that they think they’ve a right to complain when the other top tiers are facing much worse situations nerf-wise.
I don’t quite understand it either, from the sound of things nearly everything ryu has is still intact in SSF4, the only debatable change was his i think m.SRK or f.SRK now hitting twice.
sigh
None of the characters are being over-nerfed, I do believe Seth when he says that you will prefer SSFIV vanilla characters over the original iteration, no one has the right to complain about anything untill the game comes out. Period.
Did I say Sagat was being over-nerfed? I was just pointing out that Ryu mainers whining is ridiculous when Sagat’s getting heavier nerfs, that’s all.
It’s more of a general statement rather than being directed at you.
Oh I see. Carry on then.
if they’re taking out cancellable s.lk ryu v. sagat will be 6-4 in favor of ryu, at least. sagat doesn’t have many tools to deal with ryu c.fw
edit: well i dont know ryu changes so i mean the above ignoring any ryu changes
I didn’t say “bad” matchups, i said “difficult” ones.
Gouki has a hard time vs cammy, boxer, ryu and rufus…those are 5-5 matchups (except cammy) but they are really 4.5-5.5 (like akuma vs sagat that is considered a 5-5 but is slightly in akuma’s favour)…rufus is also a bad bitch for akuma.
Ryu, hmnnnn, probably sagat is his only “bad” matchup, but he doesn’t have many 6-4 like sagat does.
anyways yeah, ryu players should totally stop whining, ryu is probably gonna take the #1 spot in ssf4
Apparently that depends on whether Metsu SRK has any setups, :lol:.
Ryu’s bad matchups are Sagat and Dhalsim.
Any Ryu main whining about a 2-hit Srk is being ridiculous. As long as he can still FADC -> Ultra, it doesn’t matter.
On another note, what do you Gat players think should be the point of Tiger Cannon? More damage than Destruction? Easier to land? Useless fodder?
USELESS FODDER! USELESS FODDER!
Though, it doesn’t look that bad after I saw the damage on it in the Dudley Vs Sagat vid. Depending if they are going to fix Ultra 1 in the corner or not.
I would imagine the benefit is it fully connects in the corner and KEEPS them in the corner. Oh yeah, and because it’s Sagat, you’ll probably be able to tag on a couple forward roundhouses after it. I’m sure it has some kind of ridiculously broken feature to it.
Fix???
Sagat vs Sagat, Ultra 1 ender will pass thru completely
Sagat vs Rose, Ultra 1 ender will not even start.
That’s the only ones I can think of off my head, opponents bouncing to the other side of the corner is whatever.
Tiger Cannon is pretty disappointing and lackluster in comparison to tiger destruction imo
I’d hope so. TD does already does insane damage.