Sacred cows that keep the game from going forward

[atirador]

Or used as a punish.

Usually, at mid to high level, it’s pretty rare to use raw Ultra as anything but punish or combo. If you got crazy reactions or make an excellent read, you deserve to stop a normal/special with a well placed Ultra.

Now, imagine Ultras with no special animations at the start, how broken would that be? Honda’s U1 will be very good to throw out randomly

[w00denTEETH]

…those cows are sacred for a reason buddy!

[radicaldreamers]

It sounds like you just don’t like Street Fighter. So, yeah, go play a different game.

[d3v]

3. Do you really want these things to come out faster? When something that does a lot of damage is in the game, it needs something to balance it out. Longer startup, longer recovery, a combination of both, etc. If you do a super at random while the opponent is blocking, you deserve it.

I’ll give you counter ultras, but only to an extent; I still see people landing these, so they’re not completely worthless.

I’m not complaining about startup frames, those can be kept unchanged. The animation freeze (and the sound cue to an extent) is the problem. Another example: Guy and Honda’s ultra 2 are completely killed by a single startup frame. Fei’s Tenshin probably has a better success rate

Stop doing raw Ultra.

Street Fighter Comic - needs you!

Complete lack of chip damage for normals and very little for specials. Holding back should always be a temporary and situational answer instead of being such a burden that “unsafe on block” is a death sentence for a lot of moves that aren’t shoryuken. This is a place where SF could learn a little from Mortal Kombat: keep blocking if you like, that health bar isn’t not lasting that long. I guess a guard bar does the same work and has been proven before; all I would ask for is for it to be quite short (and all adjustments regarding health would be better implemented here) to the point that three HK / HP were enough so the fourth one breaks it.

If they’re blocking, then throw them.

[jebop]

Saw El Fuerte in the text and thought “fuck this”.

[TRUEB7UE]

You remind me of a friend of mine who would refuse to throw fireballs with Sakura because he stubbornly saw them as “cheap” and considered it unfair that the whole cast did not have a projectile. He also didnt win very often and eventually stopped playing completely…

Damn sacred cows keepin people out! I mean come on Capcom, when we asked for diversity/balance we didn’t mean like this!

While we’re at it, lets make the pause button tournament legal, ban fireballs (unless both characters have em), and it’s an instant disqualification from any tournament if you keep throwing your opponent (especially when they’re in the corner).

/kappa

[radicaldreamers]

Pause should only be tournament legal if it results in the match being settled IRL.

[captain_hook]

You remind me of a friend of mine who would refuse to throw fireballs with Sakura because he stubbornly saw them as “cheap” and considered it unfair that the whole cast did not have a projectile. He also didnt win very often and eventually stopped playing completely…

It makes sense though. If a person is new to the game, it really does seem unfair why some characters can shoot at you from across the screen, while others have to walk over to you. The problem here is not the player, it is how the player is being introduced to the game, it’s a methodological problem.

To elaborate: If you put shooting vs. punching into a real life setting, then the guy with a projectile weapon has a clear advantage over the guy with his bare fists, at least in most cases. However, both Street Fighter and most community members fail to teach new players that in Capcom’s make-believe world, being able to shoot does not give you the upper hand over other characters. Street Fighter, though improving on its teaching methods, still lacks basic understanding of cognitive processes, like how humans learn, or how humans are likely to associate certain game elements and their fairness/usability to their own personal real life experiences. The ideal approach to a fighting game should be that all characters balance each other out, but nowhere in the manual, or most tutorials I’ve seen, or even discussion boards is this essential element stated out loud. So how is anyone who just looks at the game supposed to know about balancing?

On another note, if my friend insisted on not throwing fireballs if the other player’s character doesn’t have them, then I’d play along and not throw them either when playing against him. After all, its my friend.

[TRUEB7UE]

You remind me of a friend of mine who would refuse to throw fireballs with Sakura because he stubbornly saw them as “cheap” and considered it unfair that the whole cast did not have a projectile. He also didnt win very often and eventually stopped playing completely…

It makes sense though. If a person is new to the game, it really does seem unfair why some characters can shoot at you from across the screen, while others have to walk over to you. The problem here is not the player, it is how the player is being introduced to the game, it’s a methodological problem.

To elaborate: If you put shooting vs. punching into a real life setting, then the guy with a projectile weapon has a clear advantage over the guy with his bare fists, at least in most cases. However, both Street Fighter and most community members fail to teach new players that in Capcom’s make-believe world, being able to shoot does not give you the upper hand over other characters. Street Fighter, though improving on its teaching methods, still lacks basic understanding of cognitive processes, like how humans learn, or how humans are likely to associate certain game elements and their fairness/usability to their own personal real life experiences. The ideal approach to a fighting game should be that all characters balance each other out, but nowhere in the manual, or most tutorials I’ve seen, or even discussion boards is this essential element stated out loud. So how is anyone who just looks at the game supposed to know about balancing?

On another note, if my friend insisted on not throwing fireballs if the other player’s character doesn’t have them, then I’d play along and not throw them either when playing against him. After all, its my friend.

Thats all fine and good, yes tutorials suck but thats part of what’s created our community at large, interaction and the communication of information. we did attempt to teach him the advantages to fireballs (screen control, zoning) as well as their disadvantages (can be easy to read, non-fireball character-specific options, jump ins, FA, etc). Theres a distinct difference between knowing the reason for a fireball and defiantly choosing to never use one. If your character has a unique tool, use it if it’s viable, dont inhibit yourself because of your personal “principles” on fairness.

Who in their right mind would choose not to use an SRK as an AA (UNLESS they have some other better AA that leads to higher damage/better situation) just because of it’s invicibility frames? Not a pro, not an average player, not someone who desires to win, no one (perhaps OP, but I digress). If you dont like a character’s tools because you view them as too powerful or whatnot, choose a different character.

Also FYI, he and I are still great friends, and he would definitely have been offended if I would’ve played a fireball character and handicapped myself just to play to his version of street fighter.

[a_toolkit]

In other words,

“I’ve hit a wall in my gameplay and I can’t get any better. It must be the system’s fault”.