That’s funny because there’s at least 3 characters in GGX that can time travel. Axel Low, I-No and Raven. As a matter of fact a MAJOR plot point in GGX is I-No traveling through time and saving Ky from dying, thus averting a pretty dark future.
This is all hypothetical, I dunno why you’ve suddenly taken such a literal route, but whatever.
Akuma destroyed a mountain, not an island, and I’m pretty sure that was around the time of 3S.
Sol defeated Justice by beating the shit out of her and simply being more powerful. He’s also over a hundred years old so there goes any “fighting experience” arguments.
Sol actually needs that headband of his to keep his power in check, as I recall. The plot guide is down right now for some reason, so I can’t confirm.
It doesn’t really matter. According to the tier sets and world laws and all that happy horse shit; Even the strongest SFer couldn’t stand up to the Darkstalkers or even the Marvel superheros. Guilty Gear is said to be able to rival DS.
Fanboy alert…
Man, most of the GG fighters are just normal humans with martial artists skills -> Ky, Anji, Biken, Chipp, Venom, Bridget, Axl, May, Jam, Potemkin, Johnny etc… Those fighters story vise are no match for Slayer who is a vampire. Vampire=DarkStalker. In GG plot Slayer is one of the strongest, may be even number one. So the regular DarkStalkers could easily fight regular GG universe fighters. Needless to say that Zappa actually have more in common with a darkstalkers than with a regular GG fighters. So the point is that Bishomen, Talbain, Victor etc. are a good match for normal GG fighters story vise. And Demitry, Pyron, Jedah would be in Top Tier/God Tier in GG universe just like Slayer.
Vega has a Claw, Rolento has stick, knifes and even grenades , and still Ryu can beat them at any day of the week
Quote from Tiamat Street Fighter Plot Guide -> Street Fighter 3 Third Strike (Probably 1998, and possibly 1999. This is SF3DI’s epilogue)
Of course it is hypothetical, the whole Sol vs Ryu fight is hypothetical in first place.
Coz it is just the way all the dreammatch/crossover plots works. It is a time travel or universe reach the time when such match is possible.
Actualy it was an island. And it happened in A2. Here the quote from Tiamat Street Fighter Plot Guide -> Street Fighter Alpha 2: Gouken’s student, Ryu, has tracked Akuma down, and challenges Akuma as a fighter. Akuma, always looking for worthy foes, tests Ryu’s mettle at his island, Gokuento. Akuma is very impressed by Ryu’s skill, and tells Ryu about the Satsu no Hadou power within Ryu. He wants that power to awaken within Ryu, and tells Ryu that once it does, Ryu should seek Akuma out again so they could have a real match [Official]. Akuma then forcefully slams his fist into the ground, and the island of Gokuentou sinks into the sea, with Ryu escaping just in time
[Conjecture from Ryu’s SFA2 ending].
So the point stays. During A2 time(1988) Akuma could destroy an island with one blow. So it would take a 6-7 blows to sink the whole Japan. He dont need an army or something.
Ok Lets see how old are Sol. In 2099 he joined Gear Project which supposedly give him his power and make him Immortal. He is not a Gear coz he was human once he is just a regular man imbued with some Magic power on which all GG universe are based. And thats why Justice could not control him as all normal Gears. Since that time he didnt changed a bit so at look on his face you can give him probably 25-27. His birth day is some where in 2074-2073. In 2175 Sol killed Justice(sorry, my first date of 2144 was false). And the fight between Sol and Ryu is supposed to happen in 2176-2179???
Ryu birth day is 1964 July 21. 2176-1964=212 of training Ok not 212, he starts to train when he was 4-5 years old, so it still 208 years of training. And Sol 2176-2073=103 minus childhood it is 99 years of training. 208>99 . So the point of far superior Ryus fighting experience stays
And as I previously sad a lot of GG cast a just mere human martial artists with extensive usage of Ki energy, and some of them could still give a Sol a good, close fight. Like Ky or Anji.
Also Akuma trained with Satsu no Hado for 35-40 years(in SFA2 he supposed to be 45-50). And look what he can do!!! If Ryu defeated Akuma(if not Akuma would surely killed him) and took Satsu no Hado path, that would mean that in 2176 it is some thing like 150 years of Satsu no Hado training. So Ryus SnH power = Akumas SnH power x 3.
One Blow=whole Planet???
Dude, you have your dates all wrong. GGs Magic was discovered in 2010, with the Gear project begining in 2014 and the whole Gear scientist staff dissapearing by 2016, including Frederick (Sol). That Man creates Justice by 2073 and shortly after that, Japan blows up and the crusades begin. The crusades end in 2175 after Sol beats the shit out of Justice then Ky Kiske and the Holy Order seal her in in some dimensional prison from which she escapes in 2180 only to find death in Sols hands again.
Sol is a Prototype Gear, which is the reason Justice wonders how he could resist her control, since Justice was a Commander-type Gear and could manipulate all mindless, subservient Gears to do her bidding. The answer is that, that because Sol is just a Prototype, her ability to control other Gears doesnt apply to him. Thats why Dizzy, the only Commander-type Gear alive, is considered to be so dangerous.
So Sol would be actually around his 190-somethings.
The whole idea of Ryu obtaining Oros powers just to fight Sol in 2180 is pretty dumb. Have them fight each other as in their respective gamess prime and make it a dream match. Its still a huge mismatch for Ryu, but at least it would make more sense.
That’s what I said…GGX characters can match DS characters.
SF characters cannot.
Potemkin isn’t normal, and you’re forgetting about all the blacktech, and forbidden magics, and Jinki that allow any of these fighters to be able to stand up to Gears, which are superior to most humans aka Street Fighters.
Claws and sticks are nothing like the above mentioned, that point makes no sense. http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_magitech.html#jinki
No, it’s hypothetical, you don’t need a convincing explination of why or how they would be fighting, they just are.
He sunk the island, he didn’t explode it with his fist like he did the mountain. Which, btw, took a loooooooot of concentration.
See, this is why I hate these discussions. ***Q. Who is Frederick? Who is Sol?
A. Frederick is the man who became the prototype Gear, in 2016. After undergoing his transformation, he donned his headgear, which is actually a Gear Cell Control-type device (to suppress his Gear nature) and disappeared. However, he kept “That Man”, one of the researchers of the Gear Project and the creator of Justice, in his sights. When That Man began work on Justice, Frederick began work on the Outrage. He also saved Kliff from a Gear attack when Kliff was only 6.
Decades later, Kliff recruited a certain “Sol Badguy” into the Holy Order. It was this Sol that was responsible for the sealing away of Justice (in Justice’s Story Mode Ending in GGXX), and after Justice’s escape five years later, the destruction of Justice (in GG). Presenting himself as a bounty hunter, he nevertheless revealed himself to Justice as the proto- type of Gears, and therefore, as Frederick. Later on, he began hunting other Gears, though once he found Dizzy, for reasons still unexplained he did not kill her as he had killed others. (DA pg. 226, 229, GG, GGX, GGXX) ***
Sol is also over 150 years old. http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_char.html#old http://thegearproject.org/projects/timeline.html http://thegearproject.org/projects/plotfaq_sol.html#who
Ky can’t give Sol a close fight, neither can Anji. Slayer, I-No, Raven, Dizzy and That Man could, if not outright beat him.
See, we’re talking about “What if Sol fought Ryu”, not “what if Ryu lived to be over 200 years old and gave into Satsu no Hado blah blah bliggity blah”. So knock it off already. I’m sure if Ryu was hit by a meteor and gained the powers of Pyron after a million billion years of training he could beat anyone.
You’re essentially conceeding the point anyways if you have to try and beef Ryu up with a bunch of alternate reality possiblities just to get him old enough to fight Sol in real time.
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It seams like future tech beats martial arts. So sad…
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Ok, I understand the point. If Sol(GGXX#R)vs Ryu(SF3:3S) fight somehow would happen Sol definitely would defeat Ryu. Mere human martial artist even the best one, could not stand a chance against a god like creature.
Man, thats a huge Red herring. I never said that Sol is or should be considered invincible, I just said that pitting Sol against Ryu would a huge mismatch for Ryu.
of course Ryu against Batsu is a huge mismatch for Batsu hell Bastu could gang up on Ryu with Kyosuke and Hinita and it still would be a huge disadvantage for Bastu.
Ryu from XSF owns any GG person period, or any other Capcom char as well. In fact, that Ryu easily beats everyone in any fighting game, except:
Storm Marvel 2 (MVC2 chars 1 on 1)
Sent Marvel 2
Cyclops XSF (same as XSF Ryu- one grab, and youre done)
Ryu 3S (with ALL system directions, 9 meters)
^^^Are the only ones 1 0n 1 that have a shot against GAME prime Ryu. Storm and Sent can fly away, Cyclops XSF is just as brutal with grab into inf, and 3S Ryu with all super arts, cahins and shit is just BROKEN to shit (overheadxSSRK, land Denjin, release STUN 4 hit magic seriesx SSRK= GGPO)
This is off topic but someone metioned that Oro may teach Ryu the secret of immortality. Is Oro immortal? He has not been actively training for the past fifty years so could that explain why he looks so old?
