Ryu’s fireball has 13 frames startup and 32 frames recovery frames (total of 45 frames, the numbers in eventhubs frame data for projectile under recovery frames column is actually Total, not recovery alone, a stupid mistake that they’re not willing to fix).
So by the time Ryu’s fireball becomes active and actually comes on the screen, you have 32 frames to react to it and punish it, the average jump time in SSFIV is 36 frames excluding the 4 prejump frames, so yeah it’s impossible to do it on reaction even instantly with a jump-in attack.
You don’t have to land from your jump, you’re interpreting the frame data wrong. You do your attack WITHIN THOSE 36 jump frames. You can shave off at LEAST 10 frames if you’re attacking on the way down but early. If you hit your air attack early in your jump you can actually react to Ryu’s fireball with a jump-in, as long as you’re at the right spacing and you have the right character for it.
And you can react to the startup of fireball just fine.
I’m not saying you can’t be baited, but don’t say you can’t punish fireballs with jump-in combos in SF4. It’s quite possible.
The startup animation isn’t very obvious and the fireball doesn’t start forming till near the end of it, so unless you’re a robot, I won’t buy that you can REACT to a fireball with a jump-in punish. You can guess it and anticipate it, sure, but not pure reaction.
It’s extremely obvious. You see him lean back and start the fireball charge in his hand. People have been doing it for years LONG before SF4.
Now granted, this is a lot more difficult online than offline, but it’s very possible. If this weren’t the case, Ryu would be like HF Ryu, and the basic fireball+uppercut traps would be unstoppable.
That’s why people with insane reactions also punish stuff that are much slower (20+ frame startup) like Rog’s overhead, Chun’s overhead…etc with Full jump-in combos.
You’re being really unfair. Those moves also move you forwards, making a properly spaced jump in hard. In some matchups it is totally possible to react to fireballs with jumps at certain ranges.
The little ‘comment’ of mine is Go Easy On Me. Some people let me do well the first round so I get some practice, but most people are still just relentless.
Since they want to disregard my ‘Go easy on me’ and be douches, I’ll be a douche back. I’m gonna start lag switching anyone I come up against who reads that then still tries to pummel me.
Ryu is so free for most characters because even if its a bad match up, everyone knows how to fight Ryu.
The thing is he has a very good zoning and rushdown, depends on the player. Zoners will throw fireballs and reversal DPs. I play Seth (fill free to hate me all you want), so I can fireball and wall jump to cover my jump in, or I can fireball teleport which is really only useful after knockdowns, but nonetheless, if he is throwing fireballs, throw the air fireballs since you are akuma and focus dash at most 2 at a time. And I would only teleport out of there as an escape option.
Anyone can right ryu.
Hell Makoto could have him for lunch if you tried.
Oh yeah, and you can fake a dive kick to bait out a dp, if theyre a trigger happy Dragon Puncher that is.
As for the rush down, just teleport out if he’s all up in your grill, or tell him to shut up with a Dp of your own.
Ryu is a character who basically at this point can only beat you by outplaying you, no random damage, he doesnt even need option selects.
A solid Ryu can beat just about anything so beating ryu depends on your reaction to that specific players play style. Akuma has plenty of defensive options so he shouldnt really be giving you a hard time that much
Unless theyre Diago or Valle or something. Then you should be worried.
Asking for someone to show courtesy, is NOT asking for them to ‘baby me’. Have you ever heard of the word ‘sportsmanship’? Guess not.
I wouldn’t call it cheating, either. Cheating is using something to get an unfair advantage. I’d be doing it as a reprimand for having no manners, to troll them, not to win.
What’s immature is the person going ‘Oh he’s new, lets rape him for giggles’. That’s immature.
maybe they are going easy on you, and you still dont know what to do. Ever consider that?
And, sportsmanship? Are you kidding me? Do you think the 49ers went easy on the Carolina Panthers when they came into the NFL? They had worse players because they were an expansion team, the same logic applies.
Hell no, they gave them the best they had, and the Panthers were better for it.
If people didnt go apeshit on me when I first learned how to play fighting games, I wouldnt know anything
Lagswitching is giving yourself an advantage, messing up people’s anti-airs and combos when they normally could land them 100%. And for what, to save face? If someone double perfects me, I take it like a man.
It’s not their responsibility to hold your hand and make you feel comfortable, this is a competitive game and people are playing to beat you. Expecting them to do so in a competitive environment is ridiculous. If you want someone to help you get better, then you should ask someone to do that, not play random people on ranked. They’re there for their own reasons, stop being selfish. What if they want to practice their setups and combos? Should they just develop bad habits and laziness because it’s nicer for you?
Not giving your opponent an inch is the highest form of respect in a competitive environment. Sandbagging, on the other hand, says that you’re not really a threat, that you don’t even have a chance so why even try.
If I see someone with a “Go easy on me” title, I go out of my way to do the opposite, so that they can see how the game is played.
Pretty sure I said in my last post that I would lag switch to troll and punish their rudeness, not to win.
Then 2 people post about how it’s giving me an advantage.
How can I have an advantage if I don’t even attack them? It’s meant to piss them off, not win. And it works, look how mad you guys got at even the mention of it. You lag switch, and laugh at them with your personal action.
All the gripe about ‘play hard even on n00bs so they learn better’ is actually idiotic. If the n00b doesn’t understand WHY he’s being beat up, or HOW to stop it, then no matter how many times you do it to him, he wont learn.
Unless they get on Mic and go ‘hey, you can block that combo by going the other way, it’s a crossover’ that’s helping, but doing it over and over and expecting me to just figure it out… That’s actually the dictionary definition of insanity (really!).
This, is why the people who are mean to ‘Go easy on me’ players, are actually HURTING them, not helping. The argument that it helps is retarded, sorry.
Let me give you some advice about the fighting game community: you’re never going to get much sympathy when you suggest that good players ought to take it easy on you. You especially won’t get sympathy if you threaten to troll anyone better than you with a lag switch in the name of being a good sport.
This entire forum is designed to help newbies. How about you stop blaming others for losing and focus on improving.
If I do the safe jump seventeen times in a row and they don’t figure out that they have to block and they don’t even ask about it, it’s not my fault. If they experience something first hand they’re going to remember it better. I learned what a safe jump is from Sirlin’s tutorials, they’re still on YouTube. If someone asks I tell them.
Most people on SRK don’t even bother trying to help online randoms because it’s not worth trying to help someone who doesn’t want your help.
In order for you to learn the game, you need people to play the game against you, the way it really is. You arent gonna learn if someone decides to not do crossups. Not to mention getting destroyed is what creates motivation to learn. If you play against someone and they get right in and dominate you, the next time you play, you’re going to try and find a new way to not let them in so easy.
The only thing thats idiotic is you, in addition to being immature.