Balrog, Rufus and Guile are much simpler, to start. Many other characters are arguably as simple or simpler.
As a general rule of thumb, it’s a lot simpler learning one facet of play than learning all of them. A Ryu player has to be capable of doing everything well to win against the rest of the cast. Zoning, Rushdown, Turtling, Spacing, etc. With Guile all you need to master is his zoning. Rufus all you need to learn is his rushdown. Rog you just need to learn how to turtle and poke. And you have almost everything you need to win off the one style.
No one can deny that Ryu is a solid character. But there’s a big difference between a solid character and an easy character. Fuerte is a tricky character, and as such isn’t very solid at all. Fuerte relies heavily on his tricks and mixups to win, so if your opponent figures you out, of course you lost.
But as for Ryu, he has few tricks to rely on, so it all comes down to how well you play the game compared to your opponent. Thing is, Ryu’s not the greatest at any one part of the game, so to win out, you need to be on point in all parts. That’s not easy to do at all. Relying on tricks or one particular style is much easier, if less versatile.
You seem to be playing low level. Honestly, Ryu is easy to learn in the sense that his combo’s are easy. But you are an idiot if you think he isnt hard to learn and master. Its so fucking much easier to win with normals than it is with fireballs. But whatever go play Furete.
BTW i dont main Ryu. And its obvious Ryu isnt as simple as learn how to do cr.mp - cr.hp xx Tatsu, or knowing how to cr.mk xx Hado.
Sure. But Ryu is much more reliant on knowing ALL of those fundamentals than many other characters. For example, what good is zoning to a Rufus player?
fuck you eat a fat one why do the rest of the none shoto players always gotta to lose to your easy win characters, now that they slightly touched them and you guys see that wins wont be so easy you cry, fireblall spamming one trick pony mother
Might want to watch the top Rufuses a little closer. Zoning is definately a part of their game. Watch how often Justin tags someone with c.hp as soon as they move forward. Zoning is just controlling space. Doesn’t have to be with a fireball and srk.
When it comes to other aspects of the game such as getting in on an opponent, Ryu doesn’t have as many options as other characters. And yet when you do get in you have to have a high level of execution to really capitalize on it. I for one am glad that Daigo appears to have dropped Ryu, because his success with the character has falsely led people to believe Ryu’s godlike. I main Ryu and have been playing SF very casually since SF2 but I didn’t even know about tier lists until SF4. So all this Ryu hate is funny to me because I’ve always played him regardless of game - SF2 Turbo, Alpha, even MvC and TvC.
What’s strange to me is that people in this forum are being accused of tier whoring because they’ve chosen to use or main Ryu, and yet no-one is commenting on the fact that Daigo has chosen to drop Ryu purely on the basis that he is less competitive now in SSF4 AE. What ever happened to mastering a character and going the distance? I have great respect for Daigo as a player but I guess when you’re being sponsored there’s a lot more on the line.
I thought Daigo’s Ryu was a whole other character with its own tier placing.
Umehara’s moves:
Fireball
Red Fireball
"The Ume" (100% hit rate unlike Ryu’s Shoryuken)
Tatsu (no relation to Ryu’s Hurricane Kiick)
and let’s not forget about his footsies (lol at why Umehara’s c.HK counter pokes Ryu’s c.MK.)
Now that he dropped him the people will finally to know the real Ryu, and his real place in the tier lists, and we wont heard again such things as “Ryu is a tournament winner char”. The Daigo effect was really outstanding in the SF4 series.
No bad matchups in Super?
What about Fei, Dhalsim, Guile, Balrog?
Also a lot of his 6-4 matchups in Super are now probably closer to 5-5 in Super. Cammy & Akuma for example.
Ryu is still going to be good. fuck Daigo. Idgaf if Daigo isn’t playing him anymore. seriously. Even if Daigo didn’t play Ryu, there would still be alot of players picking hi up because why? He is a GOOD CHARACTER!!!
Those were 5-5 matchups. None of those characters had any type of advantage over ryu.
now if its from personal experience then thats on you.
Sim Knockdown and couldnt handle close pressure.
Feilong make him whiff and burn meter and your good. Most fei longs I played burned meter just to stay safe.
guile is a snooze fest
Rog you had cr. mk OS.
What I like about Ryu is he’s so solid; he’s straight-forwardness and Jack-of-All-Trades nature makes him a wonderful character to learn all the fundamentals of the game, and rewards good, solid Street Fighter knowledge. There’s characters who are better at certain areas, he’s often not in the top tier, but he’s never irrelevant.
Plus, hey, he’s the face of Street Fighter! Gotta love his iconic status.
How are you gonna knock a good sim down? If you’re playing a good sim ain’t no way you getting in for free. Only way you getting in is a random dp/psychic tatsu or Sim misusing an AA. This matchup is NOT 5-5, more like 7-3 in SIM’s favor.
Fei-Long can literally walk in on ryu and he can’t do anything about it. Cr.fierce beats ryu’s cr.forward. Ryu has to throw out jabs to anticipate Rekkas. Fei has tons of ways around fireballs FADC, chicken wing, neutral jump. There is nothing stopping Fei from just running all over Ryu. Fei 6-4 Ryu
Guile…Same thing. How you gonna get in on a good guile zoning you out? Jump in? Psychic tatsu? How? Let me know I’m sure all the other players would want to know how to. The only way I know how is to play patient and wait for Guile to go on the offensive and eventually make a mistake. Guile 6-4 Ryu
Balrog…Same story. How you gonna knock him down. Rog has better footsies, good pressure game and a good zoning game, not to mention trade U1, jab ultra, overhead ultra…etc. etc. You really have to work for the knockdown in order to start going crazy on safe jumps and OS’s. Rog 5.5 -4.5 Ryu
