That list kind of shows what I was getting at. You listed 9, and actually forgot one(c.mp, c.hp), but if you think about it, there are only three. Ryu links from c.lp, c.mp and sps. Whatever you link after, the timing is the same, tho the leniency can change. 2 frame link just means you can hit it a frame late and it’ll still combo. You learn to link off of three attacks and you have that entire list.
This entire thread is free. Ryu is a utility player. As such, use him to any advantage regardless of cheapness/easiness/noobness/(insert)ness because of all his tools. I’m reading people go so in-depth with why he’s ‘x’ tier. The reason why you guys are cockriding Daigo so hard is because he plays the GAME well, regardless of the character. Maybe this is why a majority of you guys are stuck here discussing it and staying low tier - because you’re stuck discussing the nuance of the game moreso instead of just playing. /rant
you obviously never saw daigo’s cammy lmao.
c.mp, c.hp is a 2 frame link. Ryu’s most important link is piss easy and doubles as a frame trap and hit confirm into a safe jump.
cr.mp,cr.mp,cr.hk is a dumb combo, don’t deny it.
Ryu
I know every matchup very well.
I can pull off the hardest combo pretty consistently.
I can rush the shit outta ppl.
I am really strong in zoning.
I have quick reaction.
I mind game well.
I have a great footsie game.
I srk practically every jump in.
And I still lose often. Is there anything else I have to learn?
Who do I lose to?
- Some balrog that do nothing except backing up and turtle.
- Some sim that just press buttons
- Some abel that just try to win w s.mk
Ya ryu is easy.
whats hard about cody?
Lol, I love the mentality of new players. Just because you memorize shit and can do combos does not automatically make you a good player.
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me too lol
Your argument then applies to every single character in the game. Because the timing off the first attack is always the same (the frame data is fixed not variable). In your theory, all characters are the same in terms of difficulty because the timing is always the same of each attack.
Unfortunately, this isnt how it works when you think of how tough it is to do a combo.
Leniency is what makes a combo easy or hard. If you added 3 frames of leniency to SPS, cr.HP the timing would still be the same, but the combo would be much easier. Saying that something has the same timing, has nothing to do with it being easy or hard.
That is why cr.MP,cr.MP is twice as easy as cr.MP,cr.HK.
cr.LP, cr.MP is twice as easy to time as cr.LP,HK.
I guess it’s this kind of thinking that has everyone thinking ryu is so simple to play. Because people think that since the timing is the same, 1 frame or 2 frames of leniency doesnt matter. This simply isnt true. If you added an extra frame between rufus st.LK and st.HP, no one would be dropping that link; and rufus would be by far the easiest character in the game.
I’m not saying ryu is the toughest character to win with in the entire game. I am saying that he is a hell of a lot tougher than most people make out and if daigo didnt use him, most would have given up on him long ago (back in vanilla).
In regards to technique, there are very few characters that need as much technique as ryu.
You’re totally missing my point. I never even posted that Ryu is easy to play. Go ahead and continue believing Ryu has the most difficult combos in the game. lol
Did anyone ever say that?
Why is it when people talk about how easy or difficult a character is all they talk about is combos? Guess what, there’s more to playing a character than combos.
No. Ryu’s combo is not the hardest. Let’s put it this way:
Ryu’s combo is relatively hard, but not as damaging as others.
Many charc can just get 1 simple normal hit or 1 command throw to equalised one combo damage from Ryu.
So if u say that Ryu combo is easy, U have to take into account that other charc have it easier as they dun even have to combo to deal similar damage. Think Abel, Zangief, Balrog, Sagat, Honda.
Other charc have less one hit damage, but massive combo to reset damage. Think Viper, Aden, Rufus, Akuma, Ken, Cody and Fei. Further more once they get u, u r in for a mix-up to reset loop. So u could spam it.
Or, u have charc like sim and guile whom could prevent ryu from getting in at all easily.
Most of the cast have exceptionally strong dominent style and strategy which allows ppl to be good in this game just by being one dimensional.
But to be good w ryu, like what some mentioned earlier, u have to be good in every single aspect in 2d fighting game just to have a fighting chance.
For beginners - Average, Ken is definitly > Ryu cause u can get wins by spamming some simple tricks.
It’s silly to think that other charc is hard to use. Try to actually win with ryu. Don’t just stay happy using him, being able to do some flashy combo and actually LOSE. Then u’ll understand what it takes. Most of u whom say he easy would be utterly thrashed using him. I know, cause from ur valuation of him shows that u aren’t good w him, or that u r only good w certain aspect of the game. One trick ponies.
Almost everyone I played with offline, turtle and refusing to come out of their shell. They look for opportunity to start a frame trap counter attack and thats all they do. Their idea is that I have to throw them at least ten times to win if they do that. But if they get me on frame trap -> guessing for one big damage mix up then they can win. They can dun press a single button for full minute or so. Why do they turtle? Because that’s abt the only way they found they could win. How do I know? Cause they told me so LOL~ Is it effective? Yes for sure it is. Look at all ryu vs the cast video, isnt that’s how ppl play basically to win against ryu? Look at those ryu in the video, see how hard, how much skill and mind games they have to pull just to win. Compared to the simple wait for one moment to frame trap into huge damage/reset trick by others?
Akuma, Abel, Viper, Balrog, Sagat, Ken are all such charc.
If ppl think this is “HIGH LEVEL” skill and expert play. I laugh at them. Is just giving other charc powerful options to give them a fighting chance. In other words, handicap.
Ryu’s strength and weakness is his balance. He has very easy basic combos but to win you have to know the medium difficulty combos. His defense is good but nothing drastic. he rush down is good but nothing special. It just seems like he has no momentum and your constantly adjusting for the win.
He specifically mentioned combos. And yes, he did say Ryu was top 5 most difficult execution in the game. I totally disagree with that and that’s about all I’ve seen here that I disagree with. Might want to read the conversation before replying to a single post.
Come to think of it. Here’s a story.
I had a frd whom is learning the game and maining ryu. From time to time we’ll play around together at my place. He wanted very much to beat another of his frd whom main Akuma. He often say that his frd’s Akuma seens much better than mine and looks more threatening.
One day, I finally told him: “Dude, u can beat ur frd’s Akuma 30-50% of the time. But we have played > 100 (probably 200) games together and u have not yet beaten me even once, and I’m using random charc”. Yeah, I played basic, unflashy. But that doesn’t mean ur frd is better =D.
Combo isnt everything.
Guess you’ve never heard of sarcasm. :clown:
Ryu is the simplest character, who requires only a basic knowledge of fundamentals and match-ups to win.
I think Rufus, Balrog, Dhalsim & Guile are all WAY more simple straight-forward characters than Ryu.
pshh what level are you playing at?
Can’t say I agree, man, but let’s not argue about it.
Hardest level, obviously. Just can’t seem to defeat that last Seth boss. Man, he’s so tough.
Obviously a Ryu player is going to defend his character, while a non-Ryu player is going to cut him down…
All I have to say is…A character as popular as Ryu is going to lead to more common matchup experience…Everyone knows your moveset and every trick up your sleeve…Don’t you think this could be why it feels as if Ryu is harder to use?
Just to make sure it is fair on both sides…I’ll tell you my main, and it’s Elf.
My greatest tools are punishes, and If you play a Really good Elf, he feels OP as hell, but in all honesty, the matchup is uncommon, and most people don’t know the matchup, or my tricks…Once I’m figured out, My chances of winning drop considerably, almost to zero if my opponent is really good.
Taking that in mind, doesn’t it show just how solid Ryu is that you can compete with him, even when the enemy knows EVERY move you can throw at them?