Ryu Matchup Thread

[rpgr]

Gouken isn’t bad he’s like sagat but without the scary ass anti-air options. Need a 3s mindset when jumping though. Respect the parry but unlike 3s … You can punish him for attempting it.

If he plays zoning gouken (the only type imo) I reccomend trying to build a bit of ultra meter before approaching him, really made me see the matchup a lot differently as his fireballs aren’t like Sagat’s as he doesn’t have a 2 hit fireball and his fireballs are slow. Approaching him with a half powered ultra without taking any real dmg isn’t good for gouken.

Fireball from 3/4th’s + of the screen or else eat a DP from him. Other option is fireball his fireball on reaction to build meter safely, if he tries to dp you’ll block in time.

Getting in is the tough part as his sonic boom like recovery makes it hard to get in. You need to learn how he’s going to anti-air you when you jump. He wants to use cr. FP as it’s his most reliable anti-air, but if jumped correctly you can beat it with j. FP or FK as it comes out kinda slow (if it does come out though your going to lose). If he gets stuffed he’ll probably attempt a counter or try a more situational anti-air like cr. MK or st. MK. These are kinda mind gamey as j. FP and FK can win based on spacing against the MK’s, and empty jump allows a good punish of the counter (i recommend land immediate dp cancel).

A way to get in besides that is EX Fireballs (if he ever EX fireballs do yours for a knockdown, his ex fireballs are terrible), right outside of where his fireball appears can be done on reaction to get a knockdown (and this is your ultimate goal as after a knockdown you own the match). FA’ing Fireballs you have to be careful as if you dash forward at certain ranges he can actually punish the dash with a sweep … ya i was very frustrated when i found that out. But if your closer you can FA it than dash forward dp cancel, sweep, or cr. MKxxfireball (ex if the cr. MK hits cuz you WANT a knockdown).

Really once you get a knockdown if you can corner gouken, the matchup is very in your favor. He’s forced to guess his way out of the corner, he can’t jump out as you have dp ultra waiting, he can’t poke you very well as cr. MK is his daddy. closeup pressure really his only anwser is guess counter which if done incorrectly means lots of dmg done to him and resetting him into the same scenario.’

If he demon flips just j. attack him in some way than since you recover first upon landing mix him up (if he parries you still recover first it’s funny i know).

Actually my bigger problem is him using the middle or fierce punch fireball as an anti-air. Middle can hit some characters from a little past mid screen that charge in, fierce hits any air attempt and it becomes a guessing game which is largely in his favor because if you guess wrong, you don’t even make any ground at all. I really wish there was a telegraph in what direction he’s charging up for. Another problem is that damn drill fist, It’s annoying that it’s a safe poke (really a reversal move that is a safe poke seems broken to me).

In any case, I need a lot more practice but the problem is, the CPU Gouken even on hardest does not fight anywhere like a player does (unlike all the other characters in which hardest is comparable to upper crust players in terms of style and punishing strings, just less mind games).

I really hope they add (an invincible) roll on wake up in the dash version. Would really change things up and makes people really fight for their zones.

Edit: It could have been lag on my end though, I will admit, lag or not he (yesterdays match) would have beaten me but in several matches against his Ken or Ryu when I purposely baited his wake up shoryuken, it still hit me. I could not hit tech wakeups at all although I hit tech wakeups nearly 99% of the time playing against the CPU. SRK stopped working pretty much entirely and forget any combos (although I played a few matches as ppl I don’t know crap about but c’mon, being blocked on sweep after jumping roundhouse? That’s just silly. I’ve had that timing since 1992.) The only thing I could do as Dan was confuse him when I did get close in the 3rd strike manner ; ;

[Sephiroth73003]

Actually my bigger problem is him using the middle or fierce punch fireball as an anti-air. Middle can hit some characters from a little past mid screen that charge in, fierce hits any air attempt and it becomes a guessing game which is largely in his favor because if you guess wrong, you don’t even make any ground at all. I really wish there was a telegraph in what direction he’s charging up for. Another problem is that damn drill fist, It’s annoying that it’s a safe poke (really a reversal move that is a safe poke seems broken to me).

In any case, I need a lot more practice but the problem is, the CPU Gouken even on hardest does not fight anywhere like a player does (unlike all the other characters in which hardest is comparable to upper crust players in terms of style and punishing strings, just less mind games).

I really hope they add (an invincible) roll on wake up in the dash version. Would really change things up and makes people really fight for their zones.

Edit: It could have been lag on my end though, I will admit, lag or not he (yesterdays match) would have beaten me but in several matches against his Ken or Ryu when I purposely baited his wake up shoryuken, it still hit me. I could not hit tech wakeups at all although I hit tech wakeups nearly 99% of the time playing against the CPU. SRK stopped working pretty much entirely and forget any combos (although I played a few matches as ppl I don’t know crap about but c’mon, being blocked on sweep after jumping roundhouse? That’s just silly. I’ve had that timing since 1992.) The only thing I could do as Dan was confuse him when I did get close in the 3rd strike manner ; ;

lol always walk forward if he throws a jab one block if not walk under them and gain a lot of free ground. Never jump a fireball in anticipation, jump after seeing it. uh… his horizontal DP isn’t safe. Shoryuken it on block (all versions some situations EX doesn’t work but 99% of the time shoryuken will punish it on reversal) and FADC ultra. My local goukens rarely use it outside of combo’s as it really isn’t that good. Hell Akuma can reversal ultra demon it on block.

[rpgr]

lol always walk forward if he throws a jab one block if not walk under them and gain a lot of free ground. Never jump a fireball in anticipation, jump after seeing it. uh… his horizontal DP isn’t safe. Shoryuken it on block (all versions some situations EX doesn’t work but 99% of the time shoryuken will punish it on reversal) and FADC ultra. My local goukens rarely use it outside of combo’s as it really isn’t that good. Hell Akuma can reversal ultra demon it on block.

OK thanks, then it really was my connection then (I just couldn’t do anything on a blocked DP, not even a damn low forward or short, then again i should have notiiced timing was off when I would bait the wake-up SRK when he played Ken or Ryu and still get hit, lesson learned, turn off my torrent downloads when playing seriously). I don’t know many local players and the ones I do know aren’t anywhere near my level so with net lag, it makes a huge difference I guess. As I said I don’t see many Gouken players (which is why I’m excited to play them even though i know I’m lagging bad) and it’s not like I can head down to the local arcade to see one.

[System_1]

Wow, read below. UltraDavid posted some really good VS Boxer strats in the Tier List thread. I copied it here since a lot of people will probably miss it in the meaningless Tier thread.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=6263698&postcount=389

Quote from UltraDavid
VS Boxer

His wakeup options are really weak.

Headbutt is a crappy reversal, no bones about it. The normal version straight up loses to lots of low attacks (ie Dhalsim down and down-back+kicks, Zangief crouching short, Dan crouching short, and I’m sure every other character has something else as well). And when it doesn’t beat low attacks, it flies harmlessly right over them. And on top of that, it comes out really slowly. The fastest version, jab, takes 8 frames to come out, which means that if you have any normal that recovers in fewer than 8 frames (and everyone does, as far as I know), you can pressure him on his wakeup without him being able to do a headbutt fast enough to stop you. Now, jab loses to lots of things anyway, so if he really wants you off him, he’s gonna have to do ex headbutt, which takes a full 12 frames to come out, meaning that you have even more leeway to put out a meaty normal that will recover before he can hit you with a headbutt.

And it’s not like his other potential reversals are any better or faster. Super? Comes out in 9 frames. Ultra? Comes out in 10 frames. Both are extremely and easily punishable, and both are huge wastes of meter.

How about an ex rush punch? They absorb one hit, so can’t they absorb the first meaty attack and hit the next one? Well, these are kinda weird. The startup on the move is very long, but after you hit him once, the actual hitting part of the dash punch comes out pretty fast, like in as few as 7 frames. But again, 7 frames is pretty slow as reversals go, so lots of characters can meaty him around this and then block the actual hit of the ex dash punch. Others can meaty him and immediately cancel into a safe pressure move.

Don’t bother crossing Rog up, there’s just no reason to; if you cross him up, he gets a chance to escape with headbutt (which moves him pretty far forward), he can move away from the corner, and you don’t get the benefits of pressuring him on his weak wakeup. Boxer can backdash away against most characters (but not all, see Dictator crouching short xx scissors pressure), but then once he gets cornered he’s pretty much out of luck.

[TheRazaman]

Quick note to terracotta, your OP has messed up tags in it. You have the Balrog section in quotes.

Cheers.

[McRomes]

Even with his seemingly bad wake up options, Balrog is the only character that actually has an advantage over Ryu, 6-4. Dhalsim is another, but I feel it’s not as bad as the Boxer match up.

[zosla]

lawl… i don’t think i have lost to many rogs these days… zone him out.

dhalsim… plz spare me, just get close and he is gg.

The only char i think ryu has trouble fighting is sagat and maybe blanka, assuming the skill levels are high.

[McRomes]

Balrog’s pokes are better than Ryu’s (Down roundhouse alone is better than all of his pokes). He can easily absorb/headbutt fireballs to gain ultra/super meter from full screen. Since his jump is low, it’s hard to DP consistently, and down fierce gets beaten by Rog’s jump in fierce. Once Balrog has a life lead, it becomes extremely hard for Ryu to deal damage, since he can’t get in. Since Boxer’s hitbox is wierd, half of his combos don’t work after a cross up. Once Balrog has meter, he can easily EX dash punch to get in. Jab mashing can also keep tick throwing to a minimum. He also does more overall damage.

Whether or not you beat random Balrogs online or something doesn’t mean crap. It’s a bad match up.

[System_1]

hey can i get tips on countering cammy? i need to know what to do against cammy… i’ve been having lots of troubles.

[System_1]

Good job with the matchup thread dude but when you gonna put up strats vs.C.Viper vs.El Fuete and vs.Gen like I know how to handle the top tier characters(Although recently Viper is considered top tier)like Gief,Saget,Akuma and Ken who’s not top tier but popular as an example but I’ll get beat by the obscure characters like El Fuete or Gen for reason of lack of knowledge so if anyone could give some tips for these characters since their not on the list that would be great and it would help us if we’d enter a tournament and happen to play against a obscure character but we don’t know the guidelines on how to fight them.

[tribaL]

dunno if this has been answered yet:
let’s say you’re playing against blanka and you get knocked down. upon getting up blanka does a roll to hit you deep as you’re getting up. is it possible to ex dp this?

[System_1]

dunno if this has been answered yet:
let’s say you’re playing against blanka and you get knocked down. upon getting up blanka does a roll to hit you deep as you’re getting up. is it possible to ex dp this?

if its deep, its a crossup. Just block correctly and punish, all balls that cross up on block can be punished.

How do we punish normal ball consistently? Same with honda’s headbutt/bison scissor kick. I seem to get hit with alot of chip damage in close.

[System_1]

I tested these in practice mode with recordings.

VS Blanka

The fireball animation hitbox is small. Fireball instead of tripping when your close to Blanka’s Electricity move. You can see Ryu’s hands touch Blanka’s Electricity but not get hit. Just don’t do it when you’re point blank next to Blanka or you’ll get hit.

j.lk can sometimes beat Blanka’s Regular Electricity. Every other jumping move loses to Electric. EX Electric beats every jumping move.

You can FA>dash Blanka’s EX and normal Rainbow ball. Good Bye mixups. Horizontal and Vertical balls break FA armor.

After blocking the first low hit on his Ultra you can EX SRK as he’s coming down. No more chipping deaths!

You can jab spam or SRK Blanka’s EX and normal Horizontal ball.

You can SUPER after any blocked Blanka ball.

**VS Balrog
**
UltraDavid said Boxer’s Super comes out in 9 frames and the Ultra is 10 frames. EX SRK will beat his Super and Ultra even at point blank. So if Boxer wants to chip you to death you can EX SRK after seeing the sparkle.

[AQUA-PURA]

How can I continuously Keep on applying pressure in the corner?

After doing Cr.MK xx Fireball I don’t Know what To do… I see people throw out another fireball but for me I jumped over and punished.

[R_C]

Quick note to terracotta, your OP has messed up tags in it. You have the Balrog section in quotes.

Cheers.

Blanka too

[Gasp]

for akuma
if hes being stupid and throwing runaway fireballs

the instant you see a fireball come out of his stupid hand ultra
you’ll eat a fireball but he’ll eat an ultra

ps tingboy is solid listen to him

[tribaL]

can ryu even punish blanka ball on block?

[Sephiroth73003]

super is only thing i’ve found that does.

[Barnaby_Goog]

What speed super?

[rsone]

What speed super?

is that a real question?

To everyone out there, vs. Blanka i found out that cr. foward stuffs his normal/ex ball. so there’s no reason to just meaty cr. foward or cr. short on wake up. (if it connects, combo into srk - w/e)

My exp playing against blanka, be patient and try to bait his df-fierce (sweep) and srk it. That will usually stop them from throwing it out. (try to fireball from far distance, then when he gets close, watch for it)

if you have meter, and looking to bait blanka’s df-fierce, fireball at obvious distance to get punished, then focus cancel it when he sweeps. (if you crumple him, bnb him or standing ultra to save meter)

blanka’s love their ultra’s so bait them on wake up, when you block 1rst low attack, ex srk it and fadc - stfu ultra.

besides that, try not to waste ultra on low dmg combo’s. you will most likely only get 1 ultra since its hard to focus any of his moves and build revenge meter. (you will build alot of revenge meter from shoto’s whoring fireballs, but w/ blanka its harder to build ultra w/o getting hit.)

try not to cross blanka over… ex ball is tard and will beat most attempts at crossing up. GL TO all ryu’s out there.

gasp knows what he’s talking about.