Rowtron Help

[da_dragon]

IMO

Row is the weakest of the top teams. Regarding order, i think starting mag is this teams best bet, mag building meter for cable and sent, however starting sent also has some benefits, being that if sent dies, cable/mag-a is better than cable/sent-a IMO.

the only reason i fucks with reverse row is to level up my sentinel and magneto. If you can play sent on team row well, your sent/cap will be godlike, and if you can play mag properly on row, your msp will become godlike.

also regarding the GB with cable and mag-a, it is unescapable if done correctly. Which is why row ALWAYS did it when it was available.

biggest liability on this team is cable. Magneto owns his soul, the only thing i can offer, is use scimitar liberally and if a magneto is happily trijumping on your head, call magneto-a FIRST, block the trijump, pushblock (pushes them into mag) and ahvb their ass.

My reverse row is ass though, i just mash stuff =D

[Diet]

Regarding which order to pick ROW in depending on your opponent. I would say as a spiral player, that I have a much easier time dealing with mags than sent. Good sent players just destroy me and my attempts to lock sentinel down. just food for thought.

[NickRocks]

My reverse row is ass though, i just mash stuff =D

this is true

[BrokenTier]

I picked this team up like a week ago because I’m hate playing storm. Also its also better defensively than MSP but, I have some questions.

1, How the do you zone out magneto with cable& sent. My cable/sent mostly cable always gets owned by magneto as soon as the match starts.

2, Whats the timing with Magslk+sent prog assist I miss it allot in matches. I would do a trijump hk then dash lk+sent assist ,lk and it mostly wont combo. Im also having a hard time getting the dash after sents rocket punch hits I’m always getting a hp. This is making me to lose allot of matches because I’m finding it hard to hit with mag since now I don’t have psy assist anymore.

3, My sent keeps getting caught in hypergrav tempest/ hail storm when I’m in flight mode how does this happen. Like when there about to super or I see the hypergrav I deactivate flying and I still end up getting caught is there a trick to cancel sents fly mode in order to block those kind of supers?

1. First off youre gonna have a hard time keeping Mags out if you have Cable on point and not Sent or Mags. Due to Cable’s lack of mobility and having Sent’s RP assist youre not gonna be able to keep Mags out simple as that. You need to switch from Cable to Mags or Sent on point so you can counter Mags rushdown with Cable anti-air. Thats the way to counter Mags with row.
2. To execute Mags/Sent you have to time your lk with Sent’s RP so you can follow up with either a combo or ROM. As soon as the first lk hits, input the second lk+RP, which gives you the perfect window for the ROM. As far as the dash, simply eliminate this problem by making sure youre close enough to the opponent to where you can simply follow up with ROM. But this goes back to the timing of the lks and RP, if this is correct your dash should allow for the link.
3. Im guessing youre in flight and Mags is on the ground and does hypergravxxtempest? Well obviously youre in normal fly mode, in which once you unfly youre in normal jump mode, you cant block in this jump state, thats too low…so never fly too low against Mags as he can ROM you instantly. In addition, if you happened to get caught by mistake again, mash buttons to get out of tempest.

[bman409]

Sentinel/Cable/Magneto is a lot worse than Magneto/Cable/Sentinel. You really should try to avoid that order. The only case where that order is “doable” is against another team that starts Magneto. But it’s still not an optimum choice. Santhrax/Matrix have difficulty keeping Magneto out with superior antiairs for Sentinel (Capcom/Cyclops). Trying to play at high levels with Cable as your antiair*** while in your second slot*** is not going to work. Sentinel generally needs meter to play well, and he builds slower than Magneto. You’re better off starting Magneto first.

ROW vs MSP is like 5-5. If MSP lands an early hit, then it’s greatly in MSP’s favor. 7-3. Otherwise, if ROW is able to runaway and build like 3 meters ROW gets an advantage. It’s not like vs Santhrax/Matrix where they get 2 meters and you’re screwed so it’s more like 6-4. But since it’s so easy to runaway Mags vs Mags it’s more like 7-3 because of how easy it is to run when you factor that bit in. But the match is really 5-5 and determined by who gets the first real hit.

If you’re a sloppy player and can’t execute and need 2 resets to kill a player than this information is not for you. In that case, ROW wins MSP 7-3.

Man… I totally disagree on the character order. I can play starting Magneto or Sentinel first, it doesn’t matter to me, I can rush and turtle with Row while still building decent meter and dealing decent damage. I’ve even seen Row, Sanford and Yipes start Sentinel more than Magneto and they’re all top players, you should really see how they use the team. I do agree with you on the landing the first hit though.

Modern day Cable can easily do over 50% with one meter. Cable is a bad ass even with 1 meter.

I would hesitate to call this a workable guard break (if at all). If you’re really delaying that much that they could block then fall into Magneto’s assist, it’s escapable by both taking the hit, and by push blocking. They could they fly out, super out, whatever. I’m pretty sure that you can just hold back and block the entire chain and you wouldn’t get guard broken (unless you’re like Cyclops and have a guard stiffness of 3).

IMO, Cable is shit without 2 meters, even though he can dish out 50% with 1 meter… then what?

That unblockable actually works all the time for me. If they block Cable’s attack they’ll fall straight into Magneto’s attack (unblockable), get hit while getting hit by Cable’s grenade, which holds them and that’s more than enough time to land with Cable and do AHVB. So I don’t know how can that not work, I’ve seen Row and Yipes do it all day long their opponent couldn’t get out of it as you mentioned. It’s a solid guard-break.

[Tascar]

Man… I totally disagree on the character order. I can play starting Magneto or Sentinel first, it doesn’t matter to me, I can rush and turtle with Row while still building decent meter and dealing decent damage. I’ve even seen Row, Sanford and Yipes start Sentinel more than Magneto and they’re all top players, you should really see how they use the team. I do agree with you on the landing the first hit though.

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No. I even picked a video where Yipes wins. But he barely wins and only because his opponent dropped every single combo. Let alone the tag in to save a character and cable AA missing half the time. Row is still OK, but starting sentinel first is almost always a worse choice than starting mags.

IMO, Cable is shit without 2 meters, even though he can dish out 50% with 1 meter… then what?

That logic is as faulty as “just don’t get hit by Magneto”. I could say Magneto is shit without landing a solid hit, even though he can dish out 75% without meter… then what (if you don’t get the hit)?

That unblockable actually works all the time for me. If they block Cable’s attack they’ll fall straight into Magneto’s attack (unblockable), get hit while getting hit by Cable’s grenade, which holds them and that’s more than enough time to land with Cable and do AHVB. So I don’t know how can that not work, I’ve seen Row and Yipes do it all day long their opponent couldn’t get out of it as you mentioned. It’s a solid guard-break.

I’ll take your word for it. I suppose if it’s true then it’s another point for ROW.

[bman409]

For a second there, I thought at 5:39-5:42, I thought that shit was gonna connect. What ever happened to Josh Wigfall? He was so underrated IMO.

No. I even picked a video where Yipes wins. But he barely wins and only because his opponent dropped every single combo. Let alone the tag in to save a character and cable AA missing half the time. Row is still OK, but starting sentinel first is almost always a worse choice than starting mags.

I still don’t see why you’re saying starting Sentinel is bad against Magneto, I mean, when I do get that matchup I don’t even bother attacking and if I do I’m doing a simple juf+lp+AA/Mag assist, lp xx FF–> lk, lk, dp.Rocket Punch, quick and easy FF combo. When I’m playing though I eat folks up with Cable’s AAA, especially Magneto and Storm when they’re trying to rush with tri-jumps.

The video that I mentioned in my previous post can be found on Zachdms’ site, I think it’s on Seasons Beatings III, it’s a matchup of Yipes vs. Sanford and both are using ROW.

[NickRocks]

Wigfall was underrated? I thought everyone knew he was a beast.

as far as sent v mags, i only ever feel like thats a bad matchup if sent has no AAA to back him up.

Cable as an anti air is good, but unlike cyke or cap he doesnt make things as easy for you so you really have to control the space in front and above you. cable wont stop people from rushing in, he gets them off of you yourself. so flying back+frying pan or the use of his kicks to keep a dashing in mags out is key. of course you gotta watch out for whorelocke if youre against MSP. also you have magneto with the EM assist.

I love zoning with sent, its really rewarding lol. Id play team row more if i had a godlike mags. sent with unfly is also alot of a tougher matchup for mags than without, since you can block the dashup sj lk

[Tascar]

For a second there, I thought at 5:39-5:42, I thought that shit was gonna connect. What ever happened to Josh Wigfall? He was so underrated IMO.

I still don’t see why you’re saying starting Sentinel is bad against Magneto, I mean, when I do get that matchup I don’t even bother attacking and if I do I’m doing a simple juf+lp+AA/Mag assist, lp xx FF–> lk, lk, dp.Rocket Punch, quick and easy FF combo. When I’m playing though I eat folks up with Cable’s AAA, especially Magneto and Storm when they’re trying to rush with tri-jumps.

The video that I mentioned in my previous post can be found on Zachdms’ site, I think it’s on Seasons Beatings III, it’s a matchup of Yipes vs. Sanford and both are using ROW.

You got Xbox360?

[bman409]

Wigfall was underrated? I thought everyone knew he was a beast.

as far as sent v mags, i only ever feel like thats a bad matchup if sent has no AAA to back him up.

Cable as an anti air is good, but unlike cyke or cap he doesnt make things as easy for you so you really have to control the space in front and above you. cable wont stop people from rushing in, he gets them off of you yourself. so flying back+frying pan or the use of his kicks to keep a dashing in mags out is key. of course you gotta watch out for whorelocke if youre against MSP. also you have magneto with the EM assist.

I love zoning with sent, its really rewarding lol. Id play team row more if i had a godlike mags. sent with unfly is also alot of a tougher matchup for mags than without, since you can block the dashup sj lk

I’ve never really knew anyone mention his name so that’s why I thought no one really knew about him, but he is a beast!

When have you ever seen Sentinel not with a AAA? Using Cyclops and Captain Commando is just godlike.

I understand what you’re saying but I never really had a problem using Cable’s AAA. It does stop people from rushing in on me, it knocks them up and more than enough time for me to hit them with a frying pan, I do it all the time. I use Magneto assist when I’m zoning from full-screen, pretty much the laser lock down with Magneto assist. I use Cable when they get close to me or just simple sj.lk FF–> lk, lk, dp.Rocket Punch or whatever. I ain’t saying I’m the best player in the world but I think I’m pretty decent.

You got Xbox360?

I do but I don’t have it with me at the moment due to the fact that I’m in school in AL. Even if I did though I still wouldn’t be able to get online since there’s no WiFi here and I have shitty service on my phone (unless I’m outside), so I can’t even hotspot with 4G. Shitty ass AL.

I’ll try and get a video up of me playing on DC, just messing around with ROW.

[Tascar]

I’ve never really knew anyone mention his name so that’s why I thought no one really knew about him, but he is a beast!

When have you ever seen Sentinel not with a AAA? Using Cyclops and Captain Commando is just godlike.

I understand what you’re saying but I never really had a problem using Cable’s AAA. It does stop people from rushing in on me, it knocks them up and more than enough time for me to hit them with a frying pan, I do it all the time. I use Magneto assist when I’m zoning from full-screen, pretty much the laser lock down with Magneto assist. I use Cable when they get close to me or just simple sj.lk FF–> lk, lk, dp.Rocket Punch or whatever. I ain’t saying I’m the best player in the world but I think I’m pretty decent.

I do but I don’t have it with me at the moment due to the fact that I’m in school in AL. Even if I did though I still wouldn’t be able to get online since there’s no WiFi here and I have shitty service on my phone (unless I’m outside), so I can’t even hotspot with 4G. Shitty ass AL.

I’ll try and get a video up of me playing on DC, just messing around with ROW.

Not doubting that you have some pretty big damage setups and that you know how to play. It’s more so there’s no real way to show “how to get around something” easily through words rather than through playing.

[bman409]

Not doubting that you have some pretty big damage setups and that you know how to play. It’s more so there’s no real way to show “how to get around something” easily through words rather than through playing.

I know right… what team you run with?

[Tascar]

I generally play 4 teams:

Matrix, Cable/Sentinel/Cyclops, MSS/P variants like ROW

[NickRocks]

I’ve never really knew anyone mention his name so that’s why I thought no one really knew about him, but he is a beast!

When have you ever seen Sentinel not with a AAA? Using Cyclops and Captain Commando is just godlike.

I understand what you’re saying but I never really had a problem using Cable’s AAA. It does stop people from rushing in on me, it knocks them up and more than enough time for me to hit them with a frying pan, I do it all the time. I use Magneto assist when I’m zoning from full-screen, pretty much the laser lock down with Magneto assist. I use Cable when they get close to me or just simple sj.lk FF–> lk, lk, dp.Rocket Punch or whatever. I ain’t saying I’m the best player in the world but I think I’m pretty decent.
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i meant more along the lines of when its the last 2 characters XD

[bman409]

I generally play 4 teams:

Matrix, Cable/Sentinel/Cyclops, MSS/P variants like ROW

I see… I usually run Row, Matrix, MSS, Santhrax and Scrub (from most to least).

i meant more along the lines of when its the last 2 characters XD

Oh I see… well I still haven’t had any problems with 2 characters, I just try and keep my distance most of the time. I’ve been told that I rush too much and I’m not patient.

[Tascar]

I see… I usually run Row, Matrix, MSS, Santhrax and Scrub (from most to least).

Oh I see… well I still haven’t had any problems with 2 characters, I just try and keep my distance most of the time. I’ve been told that I rush too much and I’m not patient.

What is your win loss ratio online?

[bman409]

What is your win loss ratio online?

Shit I dunno, haven’t played online in like 2yrs. I just recently picked it up again on DC.

[NickRocks]

BUMP since I am putting serious time now into learning Mags…

Why not ROW with drones?

[Richter]

Way I see it, call Sentinel Rocket Punch + jump up-back = free set-up for free AHVB. Magneto can still rush-down, but it gives Cable that lethal edge.
It’s pretty good against aggressive MSP players. It’s surprising how many times it has worked for me against players that own me.
Only problem I don’t play Mags, only a ghetto Rowtron with Storm but that’s just my opinion.

[bman409]

BUMP since I am putting serious time now into learning Mags…

Why not ROW with drones?

I never seen anyone play ROW with drones. The only time I’ve seen Magneto+Sentinel w/Drones is with team Combofiend.

I tried it once but it’s just not the same like Rocket Punch. They’re both good assists but IMO Magneto benefits more from Rocket Punch and Cable can use both assists type fine.

I just recently uploaded a video of me trying to pick up the game again. YouTube search “4 month hiatus” or search my name.