i cant tell u a specific story that marked me as dumbed down. it was a year ago and not that noteworthy outside of it being it being dumb. all i can say is the writing talked down to kids as if their stupid. thats all i can say about it…hence why i agree with kirkman, but after hearing he hasnt read an issue…i agree with him and dont at the exact same time since he’s never read it.
teen titans i read specifically for cheeks art.
was it just like the deathstroke thing?
EDIT: just heard kirkman’s audio. All I got is “screw you marvel and DC. You don’t pay me enough so I’m leaving because I don’t make enough from you.”
not sure which storyline…ill wiki teen titans later to see when cheeks was working on it.
honestly i didnt get that impression…especially since that guy was on like 3 books when he was with marvel. but i did get the impression, that he was a tired writer. so i can see how it comes off as the usual i’m so indy fuck mainstream even though he isn’t really saying that.
Yes Tiny Titans; the art is crayonish and reference a lot of DC related stuff.
Yes you should REALLY get this book its great
There is a new Suprigrl series coming out soon that is in a similar vein to Billy Bastion and the Power of Shazam
kirkman is mad cause his carreer at marvel didn’t take off like bendis’.
i think his career was heading that way. i mean even outside of marvel he did madd collabs.
nope. he said himself that he thought he was following the “bendis” plan. which didn’t work out for him. so he left and started talking shit.
he did zombie stuff after he left didnt he?
umm no. he did walking dead. bendis helped him get work at marvel. kirkman thought he was gonna be the next bendis. didn’t work out that way. left for image partnership, then bitched and moaned because his carreer didn’t blow up like bendis’. listen to bendis’ response to kirkman’s “mission statement”
meant the marvel zombie stuff.
Kirkman probably made a good amount of money from writing Marvel Zombies. He can probably dick around and spend the rest of his career writing his own creator-owned books and still make a fine living.
I always thought Robert Kirkman was a humble nice guy. I guess I was wrong.
Who wants to be like Bendis?
No writer should have that much power at a company that’s been around as long as Marvel. I don’t even think Marvel edits what he writes anymore.
Oh well, it’s starting to seem like it’s possible that everyone who is in comics is a huge dick anyway.
The “Bendis Plan” was basically just;
-indie guy comes in
-works on Ultimate Universe
-gets a couple minis and works their way up to events/main titles
-???
-profit!
The flaw is that where Bendis delivered with USpidey, Kirkman bombed with UXmen.
I’m not getting anything that says Kirkman is a dick, just that he didn’t get what he wanted out of Marvel and decided to go a different route.
The problem is that he thinks his way is viable for everyone and it’s really not.
What works for one creator doesn’t necessarily work for another.
Naive, yes.
A dick, no.
I know maybe a handful of people in comics that can be considered dicks. Everyone else I’ve met have been the nicest people imaginable.
Kirkman’s Marvel work just isn’t very good. Invincible is great fun and The Walking Dead is something special. But no way should he ever be compared to Bendis. He hasn’t reached that tier.
I still remember his Captain America arc during Disassembled - it was rubbish. (Also, I believe Kirkman has Bendis to thank in the first place for getting his foot in Marvel’s door.) Marvel Team-Up was actually pretty fun, too, especially in the beginning when Scot Kolins drew it. But even that petered out, and I think it’d be jacked of him if Kirkman actually holds a serious grudge against Marvel after they allowed him to write Invincible into a Spider-Man story. That was basically free advertising for his Image book. His run on Ultimate X-Men was straight garbage, and I have no idea why he wrote that series as long as he did.
Maybe it was because Marvel Zombies was such a financial success. Even for that, though, I’d say he was pretty fortunate to tap into the zeitgeist right before the whole “zombie craze” completely fizzled out. And he was still basically just riffing off on what Millar had already created in Ultimate FF. AND he had Sean Phillips to make his shit look spectacular.
I didn’t get the impression that Kirkman’s suddenly got it in for Marvel. He’s just flaunting his new position and talking big to boost his company. Nothing really wrong with that, other than the more words he says, the more likely people will jump to conclusions or come up with their own interpretations of his words.
No one’s holding grudges against anyone and no one is comparing themselves to Bendis.
Both Word Balloon interviews with both writers have them both stating this.
He simply called it the “Bendis plan” because both of them were in very similar situations when they started at Marvel.
His heart’s in the right place, even if he has a lot of trouble articulating his thoughts.
He’s allowed to be a little disappointed but I think too many people are blowing it out of proportion.
On The Next Avengers Heroes of Tomorrow DVD there’s a 10 minute special that talks about kid friendly Marvel comics in detail with their creators. Franklin Richards Boy Genius, Mini Marvels and Power Pack. They also bring up a few books that feature young adults and teens, like Young Avengers, Runaways and New X-Men. Even the Marvel Adventures line gets a nod. I think it’s a good idea. Kids see Next Avengers, they think it’s cool and who knows, maybe they’ll drag their folks to help them pick something out. Not that this is the perfect solution but little things like that are steps in the right direction IMHO.
true. i really dug the new avengers movie…though they pussified wassari. :sad:
Yeah Teen Titans cartoon Avengers was pretty cool lol! I felt a couple of scenes could of looked better here and there, this is where DC animation excels with the exception of The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon which has a nice look going for it. But Next Avengers was fun I thought. I hope they do a sequel with Spider-Girl, unless Sony gets all teritorial about that or something. 
yo spider-girl is too smart. marvel arent geniuses…them doing a spider-girl cartoon is too high level an idea for them to get done. lol. spider-girl running into mc2 characters lol.
In all honesty, though, have you ever seen a kid reading Franklin Richards or Power Pack or even Marvel Adventures? I am willing to bet that most of the people who actually read those comics are male adults who are simply brainwashed into buying everything with a Marvel logo on it. I’ve seen some kids reading DC’s kid-friendly comics like Tiny Titans and those comics based on Cartoon Network cartoons, but even that is all too rare. The only time I’ve seen kids read Marvel’s kiddie books is when I bought them and put ‘em in the kids’ hands myself.
The Big Two do a crappy job of marketing their wares. Kids don’t wander aimlessly into comics shops any more, so how do Marvel and DC expect kids to buy their comics? They want kids to read their stuff, they gotta take some drastic measures… They gotta offer their kid-friendly comics on Scholastic Book Orders and stuff. That’s how kids have discovered stuff like Bone Kazu Kabuishi comics. Those “digest” TPBs ain’t fooling any kids into thinking it’s manga. Marvel’s gotta make those thicker and cheaper.
This one time, I was at a comics shop and I saw a man browsing in the quarter bins. He had his two kids with him. The man had a big stack of comics he was gonna buy, and he’d obviously been scrounging for a long time. His kids were just standing around, looking bored as hell. And then one of them said something I could not believe. The kid said, “Dad, I’m bored. When are we gonna go?” That’s fucked up, man!!! A kid should not be bored in a comic book store! This is clearly a sign of our society’s moral decay.
Kids are just more into other shit these days… Pokemon, Xbox, TV, the Internet - all that stuff is way more enticing to kids. It takes a special type of kid who will enjoy the experience of reading a book. Most of them would watch TV all afternoon, and there are too many lazy parents who are willing to let their kids spend four or more hours a night playing videogames or watching TV.