Yeah, this tourney is just for fun and a change, and people seemed to keep requesting one.
I don’t care whats really broken or whatever in team tourneys since that’s not an official EVO tournament. If people throw team side tourneys, they are free to set whatever rules they want.
I’m just trying to through something more “fun” oriented.
That being said, I’m still not entirely sure of what rule format I should use.
Given the results of the five tournaments, the only stages that we “know” “should” be banned at this point are Mario Bros. and maybe Rumble Falls, which isn’t nearly as broken as Mario Bros., but everyone hates all the same. We haven’t played on Skyworld enough to show that it is horrible, though I think that’s going to an eventual thing given the stupid nature of the stage and it’s platforms/ceilings.
As for a rule set, I think that if Team Attack is on, then Stock should be on. Otherwise, with Time Attack on in a Timed Match, there isn’t really any incentive not to kill each other as long you KO the opponent and things are much more likely to end in Sudden Death as far as I can imagine it.
But this is ultimately just a (controller freak’s) suggestion.
Ok so it’s 10:00 pm EST so that would make it 9:00 pm CTL time? In that case count me in! It’s been very laggy today, but hopefully it won’t be too bad.
I agree with it being stock… But as far as stages and items, most tourneys are all “NO ITEMS, FINAL DESTINATION.”
To me some items are fine, but i’m not sure about others.
Edit: So in Texas, registration would be at 8:30, and it would start at around 9.
Ok.
*First of all, I’d like to apologize to people who showed up. *
I had no idea running a team tourney would be this big a mess.
People showed up with out teammates and alot of first time online tourney people who weren’t familiar with the rules. People were also not very attentive in IRC, making it really hard for me to figure out who was teamed with who, and who was alone,teamless, had a partner who didnt show,etc.
Then there was the fact that no one really suggested and rules to me as I had requested a week ago in my original posting, that when I put up the rules, all hell broke loose.
Seems no one gave thought to items on or not in a Team Attack on tourney… which lead to a vote, which ended up in favorite of No Items, Team Attack on, and put us around 20 minutes behind.
Then trying to coordinate 4 people into a single game with proper rule settings, everyone starting on the right stage and item settings…all the connection issues, etc.
After a few minutes of trying to get games to go, I gave up and scrapped the team tourney and decided to run a singles tourney.
Secondly.
Huge thanks to PimpWilly, who basically managed/ran the tourney for me. He took care of most of the organization and kept things going even when my internet crapped out on me for like 15 min.
Also thanks to the people that stuck around and played in the singles tourney, so the evening wasn’t a total loss. We played with the standard rule set of 2stock/3 min, medium spawn items, but ran best of 3 (instead of usual best of 5) due to time constraints, as it was already 8pm and an hour past our intended start time.
Lessons learned:
1.) Running online team tourney sucks. To do it all in 1 shot in one gathering is nigh impossible. I never considered the logistics of this, and will need to give it some thought on how this can be managed better. If anything do it over a few days and have people report in match results or something.
2.)Having tournament assistants makes life alot easier. Having run the previous 4 or 5 tourneys by myself was a huge pain in the ass.
3.) Alot of people still want to play with no items on, even though we’re trying to justfiy keeping items on/turning some or all off. If you prefer no items, thats fine. If you refuse to play with items or are going to bitch about items on in a tourney, you don’t have to join. We’re still trying to get a good EVO ruleset going, and thats one of the main reasons we have items on.
You are all free to run whatever personal/side tourney/etc you want. You don’t have to wait for me or anyone else to organize shit.
Other thoughts…
After tonight’s crap fest, I might need a little break from running tournaments. My K(orean)-groove rage meter was full level 3 from the clusterfuck and I felt like punching kittens.
Oh fuck I forgot about this. Guess I’ll be at th next one.
Septimus chose New Pork City after I beat him on Final Destination, and for the entire 3 minutes we both just ran from each other (I was Dedede, he was Snake). It went to sudden death, and we ran from each other there too, each of us just hoping that the other would get randomed out by a bomb, and eventually I did. I think this stage should be banned. It’s hard to see what’s going on with my small crappy tv, it’s easy to run away forever, and there’s really not much incentive to chase the other guy down unless you somehow lose a stock. We had all items on at medium spawn, but that didn’t help bring us out of our turtle shells.
:u: Part of the reason I like picking that stage is because I have a nice, large TV that allows me to see little things like the C4 and grenades I like to throw around (that is the ultimate in metagame). 
However, I will agree that that stage has some problematic properties regarding run-away. That entire match had 0 KOs until a bomb-omb just hit you out of nowhere all of a sudden.
Yeah I got exploded a few times without even realizing that there was a bomb or c4 anywhere near me. Those things are just too tiny on that stage on anything but large hd televisions.
Is that the only stage that rains bomb-ombs in Sudden Death, or do they all do that? I’ve never actually seen that happen.
Every stage, after a certain ammount of time into sudden death.
Many stages have ‘safe zones’ where the bombs will not spawn. Find them 
Every Sudden Death match starts raining Bomb-Ombs after about 10 or 15 seconds.
nasir: I will most likely make that post tomorrow.
Thanks again for the premium.
Yeah, I noticed a safe zone thing pretty quickly and stood in one, firing missiles at UltraDavid. I wasn’t sure if it was actually safe or just safe for the time being, though.
And, in retrospect, I probably shouldn’t have been firing projectiles either, since they could have detonated bombs in my face.
Hey, there were no bombs where I was hanging out either… until there were.
lol best strat ever would be to run away with snake till bombs start dropping and then use the nikita missile to either force them out of hiding / risk running into a bomb, or just hit them with it and win.
Before the next tourney, you guys should take a vote to see if any should be banned. Starting 0-1 in both my matches because I had Mushroomy Kingdom and Mario Bros. to play in wasn’t nice.
whoa CyntalanMaelstrom i remember playin him back in 02-03
My impressions (that nasir asked for).
Okay. So my lazy ass finally regained consciousness and I need to type this before I have to drag myself to work in about six hours despite the fact that I really should be doing other things.
However, nasir was nice enough to buy me premium for winning and I promised him that I would do this.
Also, I constantly mention, I am really lazy and tired of pretty much everything and this takes the least amount of effort at the moment.
Ergo, I will try to begin my impressions of the tournament(s) so far with most important thing:
The rules for the tournaments need to be clearly defined in the threads AND PEOPLE NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN TO THEM BEFORE AND DURING THE TOURNAMENT.
I know this is difficult on IRC, especially since Im quite the neophyte when using it, but we always end up having one or two people hold us up even outside of the seemingly inevitable technical difficulties that arise (as it did for Zoo and nasir and kinda TAM last night, who later took his rage out on me with R.O.B.).
That said, I only ask for the cooperation of others, especially since nasir has been doing this with pretty much no real incentive thus far for himself.
With that said, I should probably go into discussing what defines the rules, which includes discussion of stages and items and what I feel should be banned by the time next tournament rolls around considering that there will be a gap due to nasir being understandably stressed now.
Now now. Dont start glaring at me about banning things. I will keep my opinions about what should be banned only two things per category, i.e. stages and items, which means at most four banned things I will suggest which I feel have themselves to be broken. I will also not bother speaking about Smash Balls as I feel that they are another type of item entirely and that opinion in itself another topic of discussion entirely.
So now I will begin with my opinion of the most basic rules: Stock.
Stock: I honestly cant say that I like having two stocks, though with the fortunate time limit for replays by Nintendo (they couldnt make it four at least?) makes it understandable. Most of the dislike comes from me still killing myself a lot, which has little to do with actual item use (in most cases.) and more to do with still not being used to airdodging and various changes to ledge-grabbing since I was switch characters so much.
Besides, 3 out of 5 makes this acceptable.
Time: Having 3 minutes is the best thing we can do right now since replays are that long. The only thing I dont like about it is that this means if you go into Sudden Death, you go over the time limit, which sort of goes into what a certain stage that I will ask to be banned later on.
Item Rate: At this moment, I think that Medium is fine, though it may be slightly too much due to Party Balls and Crates and Sandbag still being on (and I feel that those should remain on). For the most part, Medium is fine with me.
Now for the biggest two topicI will start with items since I just went over item rates.
Items: I will quickly say that I feel that Super Spicy Curry should be banned because, for people without reflectors (and absorbers, if your opponent is stupid), its basically like having a Starman that attacks for you.
You may be thinking thats an exaggeration, but I dont really that it is. I mean, at least with Starman, you can try to run away from people and can dodge them, but with Super Spicy Curry, you have either always be a plasma whips distance away from them or else you get hit caught. Its retarded. This is especially true when you consider that the only real deterrent for it not get grabbed if youre worried about hitting spawning explosive automatically, but even thats not really a factor. After all, if youre on top of someone with Super Spicy Curry, which you should be since they cant really do anything to counter you (outside of the aforementionedconstant, sorry Zelda and R.O.B.reflectors), then the explosive will at worst kill both of you and at best kill or injure just him.
So, yeah, Super Spicy Curry has got to go IMO.
That said, youre probably thinking that I will say Starman should go next since I compared Super Spicy Curry to it.
You thought incorrectly then.
I honestly cant really see any other item needing to be banned at the moment, though I will now go on to say that if I had to choose right now, I think it would be a tie between Dragoon and, of all things, The Fan.
Dragoon: Dragoon would be relatively balanced with regards to the 3-piece deal if it wasnt for one teeny-tiny detail that I realized the first day I played Brawl: If a piece of Dragoon has appeared, then the next items that appear will be Dragoon until it is completed. This occurs even if all three pieces appear and then one is lost (as in it goes over the edge, which is pretty much the only way to get rid of them.)
Even after Dragoon is completed, I dont think its instantly broken, though its pretty close, especially when were playing with lag and you have to dodge perfectly and both types of dodging have vulnerability at the end that can exploited via death.
That and pretty much no one can is disadvantaged by using it unless youre stupid enough to let Pikachu get right under you and Thunder you to oblivion when youre coming back from missing.
The Fan: All I really have to say is actually a question: What type of fucking moron thought it would be balanced for an item to be able to infinite pretty much all of the taller characters that cant broken out of by any means other than DI towards the ledge (if there is one)?
I also have an answer for that one, actually: A huge fucking moron would be sodomized with a Star Rod if he obviously didnt enjoy such things already.
Sakurai!
With Super Spicy Curry out of the way, I will go on to the last topic of stages.
Stages: It is here as well that I feel theres only really one stage that has been proven it should be banned at this point: Mario Bros.
It is easily the dumbest stage in the game. It is also the most ironic one too, for you would think that one of most aggressive stages in the game would dissuade you from camping, like Norfair does (which is why I love that stage, but I digress), not encourage it the most.
Seriously, this stage is so stupid. If you dont get to the top and camp up there, you will most likely die, especially considering the anti-camping element, the balancing aspect, that green fireball, doesnt appear nearly as often as it should. (Although I will say that it does home in on the level youre on, though it gives you far too much time to get out of the way.)
On top of that, if youre fighting someone with a reflector or who can eat items, which are the only countermeasures for the natural thrown items on the stage that are likely to OHKO or 2HKO regardless of your health, then you can kiss your ass good-bye if they play intelligently. Theres seriously no way that a Space Animal should lose on this stage unless theyre reflector breaks after bouncing shells between the two of them. (The item eaters stand a better chance than most still should be beat Space Animals because its quite possible to hit them with another thrown enemy and kill them while theyre stuck in their respective digestion animations.)
Such a fun stage.
With that said, the next stage I suggest I sadly do so, not because I feel that its proven to be broken yet, despite many people having called it the New Temple, but because of the similar Temple-tactics leading to Sudden Deaths which cause kinda of catch-22 for proving this stage is broken. This stage is obviously New Pork City.
Now, perhaps Im horribly biased due to this being the only New Earthbound stage and thus the only onefor some reason!that plays any of the awesome Earthbound music, including my favorite song of Snowman, but I dont think this stage is nearly as bad as Temple due to their being no (easy) Hyrule Jump unless youre stupid fucking Metaknight (grr).
That said, I cant say I actually enjoy playing on this stage (although that shouldnt really count for any stage being broken since I honestly dont enjoy playing on Final Destination) and that the anti-camping element, the Ultimate Chimera, honestly doesnt appear nearly as often as it should (like on Mario Bros.) and doesnt appear to home in on people (unlike on Mario Bros.). If the Ultimate Chimera appeared more often, then I would defend this stage quite a bit more.
As it stands now, this stage is probably fourth on my own personal ban list, and is only be suggested it leads to Sudden Death matches which cant be replayed since theyre over three minutes.
With that said, I will mention that Rumble Falls isnt one of the stages that I would have banned for this (although ultimately is another question).
So, yeah, Im not sure if that was what you wanted nasir since you asked for impressions and these are more along the lines of suggestions formed from those impressions.
If you wanted just my impressions besides this, then it would really only be that I dont feel that I should have been Orochizoolander since I rarely do, but I did because MK cant gimp people on Shadow Moses Island (which many other people have debated about not being acceptable).
Other than that, IRC is annoying but I guess Ill have to learn more about it. :bluu:
Thank you again for holding yet another tournament. I hope you feel better and more confident about the next one, whenever you (or anyone else) feel like holding it.
hmm, thought the tourney was today.
Aw well, i worked yesterday and wil work today so not like it matters. Shame that the actual team tourney never went down, aw well.
maybe ill make the next one, who noes? I could use another month of premium though heh
^^Yeah I agree with everything damned said:
For tournaments I prefer no items, because although I realize the better player will win more consistently and that most items are not free kills the fact remains that any amount of items still gives the less skilled player an out he/she wouldn’t have had otherwise. With that said I don’t mind having items in tournaments but some items should be banned imo: dragoon, fan, curry, some assist trophies, hammer, bombs, crates, and recovery items.
Only stages which should be banned for tournament play imo is: temple, npc, flatzone, 75m, rumble falls, and mushroomy kingdom. Everything else is fine for me even spear pillar and brinstar lol.
LOL damned I like shadow moses as level but it is a bitch to play on with mk regardless you won fair n square, I see your using a variety of characters now:tup: