Resident Evil 6

Skeletroll · October 10, 2012, 8:23am

Better camera, better controls, still retained a horror/RE feel while reinventing itself, better pacing, less QTEs, etc.

rayplay · October 10, 2012, 9:21am

Okay, people like to say RE4 was the genre change, and they’d normally be right, but…

RE4 retained a dark and unnerving atmosphere. It retained an item management system (RE5 and 6 dumbed it down drastically). The QTEs happened on parts that made sense rather than being for opening a damn door. Etc etc etc.

RE5 should’ve takekn RE4, and move more towards the classic RE games by making it less actiony. Instead, it was basically a next gen emulation of RE4 while doing retaining every problem RE4 had and doing most of what RE4 did right, wrong. RE6 tries to make up for RE5 some, but…scroll up to that jimquisition post and that says how that worked out.

The_Breaker · October 10, 2012, 9:56am

[SIZE=4]because it was a better fucking game???
4 started to go into action territory, but ashley didn’t have a gun. no real forced co-op (though defending ashley could be a pain.) it still had some of the horror atmosphere in the level and enemy design. ie: first time you encounter a plagas, cult chanting circle in the castle, prison section with the iron maiden and mr wiggles. mendez and salazar were just better than irving (holy fuck that was just one of the worst characters designed in this series) and kung fu blonde jill. sadly i remember more about luis than i do about sheva and josh combined.

excella though, god damn need me some more of them titties

6 sure didn’t return to it’s roots, turn out brutally scary, have the most impressive production values, or end up as a giant stride in the evolution of the series.
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Wikipedia (so it must be true):

Concept development of the game began soon after the release of Resident Evil 5, and began full development in 2010. Resident Evil 5 producer Jun Takeuchi said that he considered a “completely new system” for Resident Evil 6, but later ruled out his involvement with the game.[12][13] In March 2009, co-producer Masachika Kawata stated that the new installment was not decided upon, but that it could take Capcom four to eight years to develop.[14] Sources familiar with the project indicated that the series would return to its roots and be “brutally scary.”[15]
The development of the game was led by Hiroyuki Kobayashi, who is stated by Capcom to be aiming to “deliver the most impressive Resident Evil title ever both in terms of scope and production values.” Capcom also noted that the game is meant to be “a giant stride forward in the evolution of the series.”[16] The staff wanted to give the game a new setting with director Eiichiro Sasaki wishing to place it in China. While the country of Edonia was not modelled on any country from Europe, it was given an Eastern European air. The character of Jake was also made to attract new fans.[17] The game has a development staff of more than 600, making it Capcom’s biggest production to date.[18] In May 2012, Capcom announced they expect the game to sell 7 million copies by the end of this fiscal year.[19]

Jamp · October 10, 2012, 4:31pm

Ok, I’ve been loving the game so far but I gotta say, the first half of Jake’s second chapter pisses me off to no end. It’s like they made an area specifically to showcase every flaw the game has to offer, and the fact that among 600 people not only came up and said “HEY, MAYBE MAKING A HUGE ICY SLOPE IN WHICH YOU GET KNOCKED DOWN YOU SLIDE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE SLOPE IS STUPID” baffles me. Oh, and the camera on snowmobiles stays on your shoulders, that’s just perfect.

Seriously, the latter half of the chapter is pretty nice and chapter 3 makes up for everything but boy is it a test of patience getting through that fucking snowstorm.

Kusanagi02 · October 10, 2012, 4:47pm

[SIZE=4]because it was a better fucking game???[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]4 started to go into action territory, but ashley didn’t have a gun. no real forced co-op (though defending ashley could be a pain.) it still had some of the horror atmosphere in the level and enemy design. ie: first time you encounter a plagas, cult chanting circle in the castle, prison section with the iron maiden and mr wiggles. mendez and salazar were just better than irving (holy fuck that was just one of the worst characters designed in this series) and kung fu blonde jill. sadly i remember more about luis than i do about sheva and josh combined.[/SIZE]

excella though, god damn need me some more of them titties

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x437/corruptstaffmember/Excella_Gionne_Mercenaries_Reunion.jpg

[SIZE=4]6 sure didn’t return to it’s roots, turn out brutally scary, have the most impressive production values, or end up as a giant stride in the evolution of the series.[/SIZE]

RE6 did return to its roots…just in Leon’s campaign. Again the game was trying to appeal to everyone which is a good and bad thing.

Sarangha · October 10, 2012, 4:50pm

That isn’t a logical argument since RE4 came out in 2005 and single-handedly reinvented the TPS genre. There were games before it that had over the shoulder but this was the first to my knowledge where that was the default view. Kind of like how Shenmue wasn’t the first to create QTE’s but popularized it. (Disclaimer: In Shenmue the button prompts corresponded to Ryo’s limbs so they did it right imo).

They also got the survival horror feel and stayed true to RE, I mean that is debatable but the majority feel that way. I’m not saying RE6 doesn’t stay true, imho after seeing more vids it is definitely survival horror but I don’t think that is where RE6 problems lie. I agree arguing about the genre of this game is plain stupid and if you are going to at least hate on RE6 you should have much better reasons than that. I think the thread was derailed a bit since people mistook your post as hating on RE4 but in reality, you were just confused as to the reason why RE6 gets hate even though the gameplay is similar.

Man sometimes I wish companies didn’t change titles for the US market. Biohazard is fine and can clear up any confusion people have. I didn’t feel the posts defending Resident Evil as a title gave any valid points whatsoever. This isn’t like the Balrog situation in SF2 where there are legal ramifications. I know they changed the title of Ryu ga gotoku (Like a dragon) to Yakuza to make it blatantly obvious to western consumers but now everyone thinks the game is like GTA for some reason lol. You can’t drive a single car in those games. (facepalm)

SaltTheDead · October 10, 2012, 5:15pm

After looking at the prices on gamestop.com im pretty sure im gonna spring for a gamecube, Ø, REmake, 2, 3, and maybe even 4 or code veronica in the next few weeks. I really wish Capcom would put them all on a disc for xbox. Resident evil origins or something… 0, 1, 2, and 3. Why hasnt this happened already?

Skeletroll · October 10, 2012, 5:22pm

I believe Zero and Remake are tied up with Nintendo licenses or something like that, not 100% sure though. The petition for a RE2 Remake discussion had some talk about why those two games could be tied up still.

Dramatix · October 10, 2012, 5:26pm

I’m sure we all know that this would have been RE4 (I think), but **NO. **

When I become a game designer, I’m not catering to shit. My games aren’t hopping on the COD/GoW express? Fuck it.

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Sarangha · October 10, 2012, 5:53pm

I wish there was some DLC so we could play that^

FurryCurry · October 10, 2012, 6:08pm

Ada’s campaign. Beat it twice. I could use more of it. Her crossbow is the shit.

I really regret buying infinite ammo for the shotgun but I needed that damn shotgun master skill yesterday.

Is there a huge point bonus for NOT using skills in Mercs?

The field of view is only a big issue when you are in narrow areas. Like Chris’ chapter1. So in the end I like 6 as much as 5 but only DLC will tell if I end up liking it any more than that.

The_Epidemic · October 10, 2012, 7:13pm

That chapter is a piece of shit. just run through it. SERIOUSLY…just run. I ran through it…killed like 30 something enemies(whole chapter) and got an “S”

Its not worth the headache

FurryCurry · October 10, 2012, 9:51pm

Are you guys making use of RE.net? There’s some neat bonuses on there.

Also I’ll ask again, what is the best spot to be in on Steel Beast? After the flying j’avo are dead things start to slow down up top and the damned hunter j’avo and explody j’avo are lingering below me. It’s such a rubbish map. Also would you guys be interested in modified versions of the RE4/5 Mercs maps? I know I would be.

Joshkaz · October 10, 2012, 9:55pm

Need to add more costumes to Residentevil.net

Ki_Shima · October 10, 2012, 10:10pm

Just came back from watching resident evil retribution, I don’t know if you Leon fags know that he’s in it. I like the game Leon but enjoy backing up Chris more because he would break Leon in half

As for the snow stage in jakes campaign I LOVE IT and the slopes were very useful for escaping the wrath of the agent hunters. Though I just ran through it like any other sane person I also used the way point, because I ain’t fucking around on that level on professional

Hawkingbird · October 10, 2012, 10:17pm

Now that I purchase some unlimited ammo skills I’m going to start my professional mode playthroughs.

Joshkaz · October 10, 2012, 10:20pm

Inf ammo has to make professional boring as hell.

SaltTheDead · October 10, 2012, 10:21pm

The first time alot of us played those games we were young, yes. But I just bought and played REmake for the WII about 3 months ago and its still as creepy and spooky as ever. Its even still scary running into hunters when you havent saved in a while.
The “tank controls” take 10 mins to master tops (which is less time than you have to invest in RE6’s controls) and its just such a great experience still. If anyone has never played it or hasnt played it in a while, find a way, and give it a run through… Its seriously amazing. I highly doubt theyll ever go so far as to bring back the fixed camera but I really wish they would for like 1 game or spinoff title. It adds so much to the atmosphere and tension… Also, not always being able to see whats coming up in the distance or around a corner is awesome. I miss how the older titles gave you an almost constant “oh shit better be careful” feeling. Pre rendered backgrounds give it more of an artistic, cinematic feel too, with the camera being placed high looking down or low looking up or near or far or from a specific vantage point to add to the ominous feeling. It had such an effect on the game but you can forget how dramatic if you havent played it in a while. I dont think alot of people talking trash on the older games or saying that they dont hold up / wouldnt work nowadays have played them recently, or in years, if ever.

On a different note I agree big time that if it wasnt called RE6 the amount of people defending it would be a fraction of what we have. To the guy who said its harkins back to 4, I couldnt disagree more. Its nothing like 4. Also I really dont like the idea of forced co op either. Reserve co op as an option and add more enemies / health increase on bosses, maybe secret areas or certain things only accessable with help from a partner, but dont force us to co op. Merc co op is great and maybe some dlc / side mission co op, but not all the time.

Unrelated note, I watched the opening and first bit of playthrough for REØ on youtube and while i can say older REs arent a ton of fun to watch other people play, I really felt the fun whoever was playing was having through that, shooting zombies on the train, etc. Alot of cut scenes in the intro were surprisingly horrific / gory as well. Alot of closeups on dead people oozing lol.

EDIT: RE6 is not survival horror as some people are still calling it. 5 and 6 imo are pretty much just action games, not enough horror to warrant the word horror as a description. 4 imo was action horror. The franchise hasnt been survival horror in a long time. Another point I want to address is how people talk about ammo being scarce in the older games and how at least 6 has that element… Ammo wasnt really scarce in the older games. It certainly wasnt plentiful but it was around. That feeling of not having enough was due to you only having 6 or 8 slots to carry things like guns, ammo, health, keys, etc, while you left the rest behind in the trunk. It only felt like there wasnt enough because it was trial and error to find out how much of which things to bring. You could carry more ammo if you didnt reserve a spot for that key you bring along “just in case you find where it goes” that you dont actually use til later in the game. You could take those extra acid rounds you found if you didnt bring that extra green herb just in case… Alot of times Id be collecting shotgun shells because I didnt wanna leave them while the shotgun was in the box because I was carrying around a crest or crank or battery or lighter or whatever. Its true tho that there really wasnt a large margin for missing shots or wasting ammo… At least thats how Ive always seen it.

Thats why I thought the genre was called survival horror, and not just horror or something else… You could only bring the items you need to survive and nothing superfluous.

The old games were great because they rewarded you for THINKING. Whether it be puzzle solving, deciding what you need to bring, deciding when to save, examining items, figuring out where to go, remebering where you left things you didnt have space to bring, etc, etc… Before we had to think, now we get shown exactly where to go with the press of a button. Planning your moves has been replaced with having to mash like animals or simply press the button the screen tells you to press. Is that all these companies think our tiny brains can handle anymore? Some of these fanboys white knighting for the game are making a serious case that theyre correct.

EDIT 2: I wonder how many people arent going to read this post because its “too long”, essentially proving the last 2 lines above to be true? Far too many Im sure.

Just wanna say Im stoked vikki took the time to read this, and liked it, lol.

The_Epidemic · October 10, 2012, 10:22pm

I didnt bother buying any inf ammo for that exact reason lol. Pro mode is too fun. Also playing agent mode you realize how many ppl suck at this game lol

Shadow_Ace · October 10, 2012, 10:40pm

Lord zedd traps all day…its quicker to block and then slice

I hate being the default zombies…I usually just dive off of a cliff to respawn into something better…

do yall buy any of the upgrades for agent hunt and do they determine which creature you will be