Regarding the DLC issue and yt videos

[758]

So by MFGK’s logic i can upload anything i payed for to youtube say what he said to and they can’t remove it, that’s what he is saying right?

[jaytoo]

I’m going to go ahead request mods to close this thread on the grounds that MFGK is trolling all of us very successfully, and I want to hide my embarrassment for falling for it ASAP.

[MFGK]

No it’s not, but it is illegal to upload it to youtube. Cleared up? Cool.

What I’m talking about has nothing to do with DLC. Technically speaking, us uploading any videos of the the game at all is on iffy legal grounds. If Capcom for some reason or other wants to take down my combo video made of my unhacked, vanilla SFxT game, they do have the rights to do that.

Using methods like repitching the audio, reversing the image, etc. to “protect” the video from being taken down is not a form of legal protection, it’s a method of avoiding detection by the automated system. Again, don’t assume that just because you’re getting away with it makes it legal.

i never said it was. but you said no copying period.

no they dont. they just flat out dont. you can do this : “Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use.” to protect yourself. that… might even apply to these videos itself tbh.

the video is to educate that characters exist, and this is how you use them or do their trial all 100% fair game to upload to yt capcom cant do shit about it.

EDIT: fixed OP. theres no arguing with that copyright disclaimer section.

[Kooky-Time]

Damn, everyone is a lawyer today…

Thought I was the only business major here…

[Preppy]

The abject tool factor is high.

what does match videos have to do with anything? i’m talking about using the product (however you choose) in your own home, your argument falls flat when the content is on the disc, if this were an additional product (true DLC) that was obtained illegally then yes you would be correct. as it stands now Capcom can’t do a damn thing about it, unless you’re uploading videos or playing in ranked matches…it’s damage control on their part not a legal issue.

Awesome, so you agree that if you upload videos you cross a noticeable and enforceable line. That was the only point in my very brief comment.

The images are copyright Capcom. Anything they let us do with them is by their grace and kindness. If you do not like this world’s reality, that sounds like something you should take up with the courts and/or YouTube, who will generally shut your video down upon request so fast it’ll make your clueless head spin. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt (for both sides of that equation).

If you do not believe that this is the case, then you have the option of you yourself putting up content and then challenging the takedown request. Put your money where your mouth is. Report back on how that goes.

i garuantee you that if someone puts this or its more well written legal sourcing equivalent in their video descriptions that we will have a video that capcom cannot take down.

Cool. And I bet you’re probably in your teens and have done little to no personal investigation in the matter, let alone talking with a lawyer, and are just generally talking out of your ass hoping to let other people fall on the sword for you.

content that i already PURCHASED…stop trying to justify their actions, it’s shitty business practice, consumers and pirates alike are smarter than that, Capcom is preying on the people like you who simply don’t know any better, or don’t have the balls to take a stand.

If you don’t want to buy exactly what you bought, DO NOT BUY IT.

If I get a unlockable disc of Adobe Premiere and hack my way into unlocking that, or other nerfed version transmogrified into the full version, I am actively pirating that piece of software, no matter how much my uneducated ass will ignorantly shout otherwise. Thanks for playing.

you clearly dont understand how copyright law works.

Yeah, probably not. Probably I have not been highly involved with music and copyright law in the past decade I’ve worked professionally on tools to rip music and video. I’m sure your unfounded opinions better my own direct conversations with lawyers upon the subject. :tup:

I am not a lawyer. I do write software in this field, and the content and features we can deliver are directly influenced by the law of the land.

If you care about this issue, get involved. The EFF is always interested in more activists. But do get informed: copyright and fair use as regards the digital era is all sorts of interesting. You would be hard-pressed to find a more interesting area of law. Get involved. Don’t stay ignorant hiding behind your keyboard. Get involved. I give the EFF money: what they’re doing is important. But don’t try to shout your way to being right: get involved and help change the world positively.

you could upload a video of yourself listening to the music and its perfectly legal. lol the logic behind your entire post is just fail and doesnt even relate to the scenario, in fact people have been using the same method to protect their videos from being muted just with different words.

“Perfectly legal” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz_v._Universal_Music_Corp . You’ve got to be reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally careful with that. People might be benevolant and graceful as regards some usage, but – you actually are crossing a marked and enforceable line, so you’ll want to tip-toe carefully. There’s really nothing incidental about posting unreleased images from the disc.

no they dont. they just flat out dont. you can do this : “Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use.” to protect yourself. that… might even apply to these videos itself tbh.

the video is to educate that characters exist, and this is how you use them or do their trial all 100% fair game to upload to yt capcom cant do shit about it.

Horseshit. Correspondingly, I could claim that I am uploading your entire musical ouevre to educate the world that that music exists.

Stop talking out of your ass. Get educated and get involved.

[DeIgado]

You didn’t purchase that content though, at all. You are simply claiming that because you own the disc, you somehow have the rights to any and all data on said disc. And that isn’t true.

You don’t have the rights to make a profit off of it but yes you do own the content within the disc because it is a matter of physical property (you physically own the digital property if that makes sense). With computer programs you sign a user agreement (generally) that limits your use of your property. However, the last time I checked, upon entering the disc into your console you aren’t asked to accept any terms. As a matter of fact this also is why having a modded console is legal as well. The issue has been discussed with sony and geohot. Geohot got fined because he distributed console hacks that essentially broke the system. Last time I checked these guys aren’t distributing keys for the disc locked content. What they are doing is legal, end of story. Bringing characters onto xbl or psn is a different issue because you have an agreement with xbl and psn to use content properly (as intended).

[FlyingVe]

You don’t have the rights to make a profit off of it but yes you do own the content within the disc because it is a matter of physical property (you physically own the digital property if that makes sense). With computer programs you sign a user agreement (generally) that limits your use of your property. However, the last time I checked, upon entering the disc into your console you aren’t asked to accept any terms. As a matter of fact this also is why having a modded console is legal as well. The issue has been discussed with sony and geohot. Geohot got fined because he distributed console hacks that essentially broke the system. Last time I checked these guys aren’t distributing keys for the disc locked content. What they are doing is legal, end of story. Bringing characters onto xbl or psn is a different issue because you have an agreement with xbl and psn to use content properly (as intended).

You accept terms upon purchase, just like when you buy any other product in existence.

Someone already posted the license and conditions, so I’m just going to quote him:

LICENSE CONDITIONS. You agree not to: (a) Commercially exploit the Software; (b) Distribute, lease, license, sell, rent or otherwise transfer or assign the Software, or any
copies of the Software, without the express prior written consent of Licensor or as set forth in this Agreement; © Make a copy of the Software or any part thereof (other
than as set forth herein); (d) Making a copy of this Software available on a network for use or download by multiple users; (e) Except as otherwise specifically provided by the
Software or this Agreement, use or install the Software (or permit others to do same) on a network, for on-line use, or on more than one computer or gaming unit at the same
time; (f) Copy the Software onto a hard drive or other storage device in order to bypass the requirement to run the Software from the included CD-ROM or DVD-ROM (this
prohibition does not apply to copies in whole or in part that may be made by the Software itself during installation in order to run more efficiently); (g) Use or copy the Software
at a computer gaming center or any other location-based site; provided, that Licensor may offer you a separate site license agreement to make the Software available for
commercial use; **(h) Reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, prepare derivative works based on or otherwise modify the Software, in whole or in part; **(i) Remove or modify
any proprietary notices, marks or labels contained on or within the Software; and (j) Transport, export or re-export (directly or indirectly) into any country forbidden to receive
such Software by any U.S. export laws or accompanying regulations or otherwise violate such laws or regulations, that may be amended from time to time.

[therook]

the video is to educate that characters exist, and this is how you use them or do their trial all 100% fair game to upload to yt capcom cant do shit about it.

EDIT: fixed OP. theres no arguing with that copyright disclaimer section.

I like how you worded that…“to educate that characters exist” humm i wonder…if this isn’t more exploiting the DLC then educating the masses about locked DLC content on the games Disk as most people now are doing it out of spite. >_>’

[Jamp]

We already have a thread about this - though that one is one step to being locked as well.