Real SSF4 AE Tier List

xenon2012 · 2011-10-27T12:58:51.000Z

Hi, I am not claiming this list is accurate. Of course it is influenced by boosters although values were averaged to filter somewhat that effect. Also it doesn’t contrast too much with Old Tierlist (mostly except Yang).
The only conclusions I made from this list is that Dudley is low tier (as most lists suggest) and that Bison is better than most people think. Actually I don’t know how to play Bison and I can get pretty good results with him beating some higher ranked players. His normals seem fast and have good range, jumps high and hits from above (fireballs no problem), cross ups, good damage. Although I prefer Dudley style of play.

bitbna1 · 2011-10-28T01:22:41.000Z

xenon2012:

Also it doesn’t contrast too much with Old Tierlist (mostly except Yang).

bitbna1:

I never thought Fei was top 20 anyway.

KawoXD · 2011-10-28T01:30:51.000Z

all this tells us is what characters the ppl who play online the most use.

it would be somewhat better if u based this on PP instead of BP. atleast PP is actually based on how successful someone is with a given character, rather than how many matches they’ve played using them.

flame shield

Shonuff438 · 2011-10-28T05:41:28.000Z

PP wouldnt work either because you do not get separate PP for each character you use .

cliffeside · 2011-10-28T08:24:18.000Z

charge characters still run this game but no one wants to believe me. the hong kong trio should be hailed as heroes for thwarting the evil that is the db(2)-f+p/k. think about it. 3DS guile is S+ tier without charge times. just goes to show he’s a broken character only held back by 1.5 second delays in sonic boom releases.

bitbna1 · 2011-10-28T23:21:51.000Z

cliffeside:

charge characters still run this game but no one wants to believe me. the hong kong trio should be hailed as heroes for thwarting the evil that is the db(2)-f+p/k. think about it. 3DS guile is S+ tier without charge times. just goes to show he’s a broken character only held back by 1.5 second delays in sonic boom releases.

You don’t know too much about Street Fighter do you? Last year at Evo, where it was supposedly Charge Character 4, only 1 made top 4 and only 3 made top 8. A lot of the Charge characters were good and solid, but they weren’t like Yun who created 7-3’s and 8-2’s. If you don’t like charge characters, and it seems you probably only like rushdown, then you should really go play a different game.

SF’s fundamentals are there, and they include charge characters for a reason. Super’s top tier was 7+ characters, while AE’s is 3. Super had maybe only 5-8 matchups at 7-3 or worse, while AE has 12+. The fact that AE is very unbalanced compared to Super is obvious.

Mr.X · 2011-10-29T01:08:54.000Z

bitbna1:

You don’t know too much about Street Fighter do you? Last year at Evo, where it was supposedly Charge Character 4, only 1 made top 4 and only 3 made top 8. A lot of the Charge characters were good and solid, but they weren’t like Yun who created 7-3’s and 8-2’s. If you don’t like charge characters, and it seems you probably only like rushdown, then you should really go play a different game.

SF’s fundamentals are there, and they include charge characters for a reason. Super’s top tier was 7+ characters, while AE’s is 3. Super had maybe only 5-8 matchups at 7-3 or worse, while AE has 12+. The fact that AE is very unbalanced compared to Super is obvious.

Dudley had 5 of those 7-3s in Super

Honda, Chun, Guile, Bison, Geif

If you can’t tell I’m calling you out on the bullshit Super had few 7-3s. Most of the new Super characters were ass. Honda and Cammy had 5-8 7-3 matchups each.

Khentimentiu · 2011-10-29T01:19:26.000Z

worst tier list ever

cliffeside · 2011-10-29T03:24:07.000Z

bitbna1:

You don’t know too much about Street Fighter do you? Last year at Evo, where it was supposedly Charge Character 4, only 1 made top 4 and only 3 made top 8. A lot of the Charge characters were good and solid, but they weren’t like Yun who created 7-3’s and 8-2’s. If you don’t like charge characters, and it seems you probably only like rushdown, then you should really go play a different game.

SF’s fundamentals are there, and they include charge characters for a reason. Super’s top tier was 7+ characters, while AE’s is 3. Super had maybe only 5-8 matchups at 7-3 or worse, while AE has 12+. The fact that AE is very unbalanced compared to Super is obvious.

lol dude. you need some laxatives? yea. you’re gonna need some cause you’re obviously full of shit.

Darkyellow · 2011-10-29T05:02:09.000Z

People saying AE is unbalanced compared to Super probably played characters that got replaced by the Hong Kong trio. Super has like decent balance until 13 characters in and then it completely drops off.

bitbna1 · 2011-10-29T11:00:15.000Z

Mr.X:

Dudley had 5 of those 7-3s in Super

Honda, Chun, Guile, Bison, Geif

If you can’t tell I’m calling you out on the bullshit Super had few 7-3s. Most of the new Super characters were ass. Honda and Cammy had 5-8 7-3 matchups each.

cliffeside:

lol dude. you need some laxatives? yea. you’re gonna need some cause you’re obviously full of shit.

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As for Super having so many 7-3’s, maybe you are right and I understated them. But it’s not like AE has less, I mean if you had a 7-3 against Cammy, you probably have something that’s the same if not worse when you play against Yun or Yang.

Laxatives? You are saying I’m the one who’s full of shit when you are making assumptions off of the 3DS game?
OBVIOUSLY, charge characters are ridiculous if you take away something like CHARGING. Saying something like that isn’t going to support anything.

If you have a problem with the pace and gameplay of SF when approx. 1/3 of the cast is on the screen, maybe you shouldn’t play it. I don’t know why you think we should be grateful for a game with a really defined S tier because I’m sure most of the playerbase isn’t considering they are patching the game. The top tier characters in Super at least promoted good fundamentals, where as the twins get ridiculous matchups against a lot of the cast and really skewed risk-reward.

Mr.X · 2011-10-29T11:58:23.000Z

There was no S tier in Super because the top was better. AE nerfed too many good characters to shit per request of shit players and just left the “sleeper top tier” Fei Long and new well designed characters Yun and Yang to run free because the rest of the cast is meh or shit.

Fei lost more than he gained going into AE.

If Yun and Yang were left as is and were put into Super or Vanilla, they’d be A tier-ish, not runaway S tier. They were too good for a game full of shit characters (AE) and probably the only reason why AE is tolerable to watch/play.

cliffeside · 2011-10-29T16:44:13.000Z

bitbna1:

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/1/5/super-street-fighter-4-tier-list-january-2011.html

As for Super having so many 7-3’s, maybe you are right and I understated them. But it’s not like AE has less, I mean if you had a 7-3 against Cammy, you probably have something that’s the same if not worse when you play against Yun or Yang.

Laxatives? You are saying I’m the one who’s full of shit when you are making assumptions off of the 3DS game?
OBVIOUSLY, charge characters are ridiculous if you take away something like CHARGING. Saying something like that isn’t going to support anything.

If you have a problem with the pace and gameplay of SF when approx. 1/3 of the cast is on the screen, maybe you shouldn’t play it. I don’t know why you think we should be grateful for a game with a really defined S tier because I’m sure most of the playerbase isn’t considering they are patching the game. The top tier characters in Super at least promoted good fundamentals, where as the twins get ridiculous matchups against a lot of the cast and really skewed risk-reward.

lol. this is priceless. i’m guessing bna stands for brain not active eh?

Onemanarmada · 2011-10-29T16:49:39.000Z

3nigmat1c:

This is actually a “biased” tier list. Online rankings are majorly affected by network lag which is always present (although apparently more endurable in Japan). It could be that dictator is actually the easiest character to play online because his combos and play style cater to laggy connections while characters like Akuma, Dudley, the twins and Viper, are execution heavy in terms of consecutive button presses, while Dictator only needs to abuse three buttons: cr.short, st.forward and st.roundhouse.

Tournament and Online are entirely two different playing fields, a tier list based on matchup is the most unbiased because regardless of the playing field the character with the least amount of unfavorable matchups will be top tier while those with the worse won’t do as well, overall.

I bought the Akuma barely, but Twins hard in online play?

Reewind · 2011-10-29T23:34:23.000Z

no idea why so many people still think super was better than ae in terms of balance. i didn’t get to play super that often but if i remember right there were only around 6-10 good tourney viable characters? the rest of the casts were just lying there on the character selection screen looking cool because they were even shittier than ae. sure ae has the twins and fei long, but besides them the balance within the rest of the shitty characters are infinitely better than super. i mean i would get upset too if i main’d honda in super and it turned out that he got nerfed in ae and still beat the rest of those shitty characters that supposedly got buffed with buttsplash.

oh right opinions.
i get upset over videogames so i’ll just sum up my thoughts.

super: in this game you hold down and back, very fun.
ae: in this game you hold up forward, very fun.

xenon2012 · 2011-10-29T23:42:06.000Z

I just hope they get it right with v2012. At least giving Dudley more of a chance.

Darkyellow · 2011-10-30T00:53:59.000Z

Opinions and bias. I’m sure a lot of people who think Super was fair and balanced played a character that was good in Super that is now worse in AE. Bias and butthurt lead to rose-colored glasses. Btw, this is an opinion that I am willing to admit is wrong in the future.

xEGAxBeastkingx · 2011-10-30T01:02:34.000Z

Seems more like a “tier by popularity” list to me. For most characters getting 1000BP will put you in the top 1000 on the character leaderboards while for others you’ll still be around 4000-5000 place

bitbna1 · 2011-10-30T12:48:46.000Z

cliffeside:

lol. this is priceless. i’m guessing bna stands for brain not active eh?

Good reply. I’d go ahead and prove you wrong with actual evidence again but you neglected to actually say something this time.

Reewind · 2011-10-30T13:32:55.000Z

xenon2012:

I just hope they get it right with v2012. At least giving Dudley more of a chance.

i’m thinking of making an arrangement for all srk dudders to send the dudley request thread to capcom via capcom unity/twitter sometimes next week (probably on monday around 8pm eastern time). i think there are only 10 people max who browse the dudley forum daily so it’s worth a shot, would you like to help?