Real SSF4 AE Tier List

[the_mossad_man]

Here’s one I made awhile back: It probably changed a little but it is MUCH more accurate then the OP lol

Old Tierlist

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Community Tierlist - Makoto help requested!

Ok here we go. I’m going to add all the top 10 BP holders for each characte, averaged their BPs and ranked them on a tierlist. I call this a “practical” tierlist.These are the japanese ranked leaderboards, and as of May (so plenty of time for the japanese to play and gain points…) Here is how its stood:

Community Tierlist - Makoto help requested!

[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]S - approaching 100,000[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Yun 94750 [/SIZE][/SIZE]

A+ - 60,000+
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Fei Long 66221 [/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Yang 60631[/SIZE][/SIZE]

A - 50,000 +
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Sagat 513060[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Viper 51257[/SIZE][/SIZE]

A- - 45,000+
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Ken 49724 [/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]M. Bison 47597[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Blanka 46183[/SIZE][/SIZE]

B+ - 40,000+
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Makoto 42983 [/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Dhalsim 42469[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Sakura 42337[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Ryu 42290[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Abel 42155[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Rufus 41512[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Gen 41139[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Akuma 40949[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Cody 40639[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Zangief 40344[/SIZE][/SIZE]

B - 35,000+
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Ibuki 39653 [/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Adon 39603[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Cammy 39397[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Balrog 38805[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Juri 38639[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]T.Hawk 38611[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]E. Honda 37770[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Chun LI 36839[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Guile 36831[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Dudley 36645[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Vega 36246[/SIZE][/SIZE]

C - 30,000+
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Seth 34849 [/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]El F[/SIZE][SIZE=3]uerte 33122[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Dee Jay 32861[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Guy 32614[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Rose 32231[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Gouken 32078[/SIZE][/SIZE]

D - Less than 30,000
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Evil Ryu 29257[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Oni 27395[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Dan 27093[/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Hakan 26122[/SIZE][/SIZE]

As you can see, I grouped them by how many BP they had. The only characters we should excuse are Evil Ryu and Oni since they were still quite new at the time. Maybe we can update this with the american tierlist in a few months. But as far as i’m conerned, the discussion/debate is a bunch of hot air. Results are all that matters. I say put up or shut up. So when it counts these are the leading characters as of May 9th. I’m sure its changed, but i’m at work and don’t have access to that info right now.

Blanka is a bit out there… he was really booted by Tsrai’s BP (had around 100000 at the time) and if I took just his out Blanka would be closer to low C tier. BUT i was making an unbiased list so I left it as is. What do you guys think?

[bitbna1]

This Tier list is probably the most accurate I’ve seen.

I never thought Fei was top 20 anyway.

[xenon2012]

Hi, I am not claiming this list is accurate. Of course it is influenced by boosters although values were averaged to filter somewhat that effect. Also it doesn’t contrast too much with Old Tierlist (mostly except Yang).
The only conclusions I made from this list is that Dudley is low tier (as most lists suggest) and that Bison is better than most people think. Actually I don’t know how to play Bison and I can get pretty good results with him beating some higher ranked players. His normals seem fast and have good range, jumps high and hits from above (fireballs no problem), cross ups, good damage. Although I prefer Dudley style of play.

[bitbna1]

Also it doesn’t contrast too much with Old Tierlist (mostly except Yang).

I never thought Fei was top 20 anyway.

[KawoXD]

all this tells us is what characters the ppl who play online the most use.

it would be somewhat better if u based this on PP instead of BP. atleast PP is actually based on how successful someone is with a given character, rather than how many matches they’ve played using them.

flame shield

[Shonuff438]

PP wouldnt work either because you do not get separate PP for each character you use .

[cliffeside]

charge characters still run this game but no one wants to believe me. the hong kong trio should be hailed as heroes for thwarting the evil that is the db(2)-f+p/k. think about it. 3DS guile is S+ tier without charge times. just goes to show he’s a broken character only held back by 1.5 second delays in sonic boom releases.

[bitbna1]

charge characters still run this game but no one wants to believe me. the hong kong trio should be hailed as heroes for thwarting the evil that is the db(2)-f+p/k. think about it. 3DS guile is S+ tier without charge times. just goes to show he’s a broken character only held back by 1.5 second delays in sonic boom releases.

You don’t know too much about Street Fighter do you? Last year at Evo, where it was supposedly Charge Character 4, only 1 made top 4 and only 3 made top 8. A lot of the Charge characters were good and solid, but they weren’t like Yun who created 7-3’s and 8-2’s. If you don’t like charge characters, and it seems you probably only like rushdown, then you should really go play a different game.

SF’s fundamentals are there, and they include charge characters for a reason. Super’s top tier was 7+ characters, while AE’s is 3. Super had maybe only 5-8 matchups at 7-3 or worse, while AE has 12+. The fact that AE is very unbalanced compared to Super is obvious.

[Mr.X]

You don’t know too much about Street Fighter do you? Last year at Evo, where it was supposedly Charge Character 4, only 1 made top 4 and only 3 made top 8. A lot of the Charge characters were good and solid, but they weren’t like Yun who created 7-3’s and 8-2’s. If you don’t like charge characters, and it seems you probably only like rushdown, then you should really go play a different game.

SF’s fundamentals are there, and they include charge characters for a reason. Super’s top tier was 7+ characters, while AE’s is 3. Super had maybe only 5-8 matchups at 7-3 or worse, while AE has 12+. The fact that AE is very unbalanced compared to Super is obvious.

Dudley had 5 of those 7-3s in Super

Honda, Chun, Guile, Bison, Geif

If you can’t tell I’m calling you out on the bullshit Super had few 7-3s. Most of the new Super characters were ass. Honda and Cammy had 5-8 7-3 matchups each.

[Khentimentiu]

worst tier list ever

[cliffeside]

You don’t know too much about Street Fighter do you? Last year at Evo, where it was supposedly Charge Character 4, only 1 made top 4 and only 3 made top 8. A lot of the Charge characters were good and solid, but they weren’t like Yun who created 7-3’s and 8-2’s. If you don’t like charge characters, and it seems you probably only like rushdown, then you should really go play a different game.

SF’s fundamentals are there, and they include charge characters for a reason. Super’s top tier was 7+ characters, while AE’s is 3. Super had maybe only 5-8 matchups at 7-3 or worse, while AE has 12+. The fact that AE is very unbalanced compared to Super is obvious.

lol dude. you need some laxatives? yea. you’re gonna need some cause you’re obviously full of shit.

[Darkyellow]

People saying AE is unbalanced compared to Super probably played characters that got replaced by the Hong Kong trio. Super has like decent balance until 13 characters in and then it completely drops off.

[bitbna1]

Dudley had 5 of those 7-3s in Super

Honda, Chun, Guile, Bison, Geif

If you can’t tell I’m calling you out on the bullshit Super had few 7-3s. Most of the new Super characters were ass. Honda and Cammy had 5-8 7-3 matchups each.

lol dude. you need some laxatives? yea. you’re gonna need some cause you’re obviously full of shit.

Super Street Fighter 4 Tier List - January 2011 - IPLAYWINNER - FIGHTING GAME...

As for Super having so many 7-3’s, maybe you are right and I understated them. But it’s not like AE has less, I mean if you had a 7-3 against Cammy, you probably have something that’s the same if not worse when you play against Yun or Yang.

Laxatives? You are saying I’m the one who’s full of shit when you are making assumptions off of the 3DS game?
OBVIOUSLY, charge characters are ridiculous if you take away something like CHARGING. Saying something like that isn’t going to support anything.

If you have a problem with the pace and gameplay of SF when approx. 1/3 of the cast is on the screen, maybe you shouldn’t play it. I don’t know why you think we should be grateful for a game with a really defined S tier because I’m sure most of the playerbase isn’t considering they are patching the game. The top tier characters in Super at least promoted good fundamentals, where as the twins get ridiculous matchups against a lot of the cast and really skewed risk-reward.

[Mr.X]

There was no S tier in Super because the top was better. AE nerfed too many good characters to shit per request of shit players and just left the “sleeper top tier” Fei Long and new well designed characters Yun and Yang to run free because the rest of the cast is meh or shit.

Fei lost more than he gained going into AE.

If Yun and Yang were left as is and were put into Super or Vanilla, they’d be A tier-ish, not runaway S tier. They were too good for a game full of shit characters (AE) and probably the only reason why AE is tolerable to watch/play.

[cliffeside]

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/1/5/super-street-fighter-4-tier-list-january-2011.html

As for Super having so many 7-3’s, maybe you are right and I understated them. But it’s not like AE has less, I mean if you had a 7-3 against Cammy, you probably have something that’s the same if not worse when you play against Yun or Yang.

Laxatives? You are saying I’m the one who’s full of shit when you are making assumptions off of the 3DS game?
OBVIOUSLY, charge characters are ridiculous if you take away something like CHARGING. Saying something like that isn’t going to support anything.

If you have a problem with the pace and gameplay of SF when approx. 1/3 of the cast is on the screen, maybe you shouldn’t play it. I don’t know why you think we should be grateful for a game with a really defined S tier because I’m sure most of the playerbase isn’t considering they are patching the game. The top tier characters in Super at least promoted good fundamentals, where as the twins get ridiculous matchups against a lot of the cast and really skewed risk-reward.

lol. this is priceless. i’m guessing bna stands for brain not active eh?

[Onemanarmada]

This is actually a “biased” tier list. Online rankings are majorly affected by network lag which is always present (although apparently more endurable in Japan). It could be that dictator is actually the easiest character to play online because his combos and play style cater to laggy connections while characters like Akuma, Dudley, the twins and Viper, are execution heavy in terms of consecutive button presses, while Dictator only needs to abuse three buttons: cr.short, st.forward and st.roundhouse.

Tournament and Online are entirely two different playing fields, a tier list based on matchup is the most unbiased because regardless of the playing field the character with the least amount of unfavorable matchups will be top tier while those with the worse won’t do as well, overall.

I bought the Akuma barely, but Twins hard in online play?

[Reewind]

no idea why so many people still think super was better than ae in terms of balance. i didn’t get to play super that often but if i remember right there were only around 6-10 good tourney viable characters? the rest of the casts were just lying there on the character selection screen looking cool because they were even shittier than ae. sure ae has the twins and fei long, but besides them the balance within the rest of the shitty characters are infinitely better than super. i mean i would get upset too if i main’d honda in super and it turned out that he got nerfed in ae and still beat the rest of those shitty characters that supposedly got buffed with buttsplash.

oh right opinions.
i get upset over videogames so i’ll just sum up my thoughts.

super: in this game you hold down and back, very fun.
ae: in this game you hold up forward, very fun.

[xenon2012]

I just hope they get it right with v2012. At least giving Dudley more of a chance.

[Darkyellow]

Opinions and bias. I’m sure a lot of people who think Super was fair and balanced played a character that was good in Super that is now worse in AE. Bias and butthurt lead to rose-colored glasses. Btw, this is an opinion that I am willing to admit is wrong in the future.

[xEGAxBeastkingx]

Seems more like a “tier by popularity” list to me. For most characters getting 1000BP will put you in the top 1000 on the character leaderboards while for others you’ll still be around 4000-5000 place