R.Mika General Thread: She's Stone Cold

[Galaxis]

Holy shit, Lady Mika does all that!!! Thanks, now I wish I didn’t switch from Mika to Laura this past beta…

And yeah, Laura is in no way top tier right now (neither is Mika now), but who knows what the release changes will provide.

Laura can do the same thing though, with her st.HK. Once the CC is confirmed, do Luara’s MP Elbow combo. Against Zangief in particular, hit closer with the tip of her foot, and not the thigh. You should be positive frames though, to back dash in case he blocks.

[amrraed]

One thing i noticed during this Beta was that Mika’s st.HP has that thing now where the animation for block is different than the one on hit ( The same thing with Ryu’s sweep). Was that there before ?

Another thing that was working really well is to do st.LK to tick throw into a brimstone. When you have them conditioned to that you can then do multiple st.LK in a row or do the TC after the initial st.LK. As the others have said, t.MP as a meaty works wonders. I honestly think it is THE best CC normal in the game now. Bison’s and Chun’s are great but Mika get the most damage and corner carry out of it plus the AA capabilities as discussed earlier.

PS. Has anyone tried V-reversing a Fierce or a Roundhouse from Sim ? If it can catch him on block then this matchup will be free. Damn, I really want to test this now.

[Muttonman]

Also for Karen, that thing where she flies to counter fireballs? Well you can Wingless Airplane all of those. Just make sure she doesn’t bait you when you are far away- performing a short distance one. Make sure Karen does the long range one- when she’s long ranged. You have lots of time to react.

Yeah, that’s a free AA.

Just thinking outloud, Mika buffs I’d like to see somewhere down the line:

T.MK having the extended range it had in Beta 2. This would help tremendously against Karin and Chun with their amazing pokes.

V-Skill adds Super or V-Trigger meter. I would trade getting buffs for command grab damage for this and it would give your opponent more incentive to come at her. Because who cares if she buffs grab damage when she can’t get in on Chun or Karin?

st.HK (charged and uncharged) becomes an overhead. The charged version is already really easy to blow up and the uncharged version was given more negative frames on block. They can make the uncharged version unsafe if they got super and I think that would be fine.

A better crossup. j.LK is okay but if they very slightly move the crossup will completely whiff unlike every other crossup in the game. I can take or leave this one because her body splash might come in handy in such situations.

Since the change to st.MK, the other gap closer I have been relying upon is charged st.HK.

Mikas dynamic has changed with f.HP and how we should exploit people who love to Neutral jump command grabs.
I found new utility in the mic buff “only” when I’m going to use charged HK to deliberately have my opponent block. The point is to do a “normal” throw after the block stun and “NOT” a command grab. Now, because you have the mic, your normal throw does EX Typhoon damage; but that isn’t the point right now. IF you conditioned them correctly and they don’t neutral jump to punish you, 3 scenarios will take place, 2 of which you can severely punish them, given the considerable buff of f.HP (Lady Mika).

Should they block charged HK, here is how you should proceed:

#1 The opponent blocked.

You can throw them w/ buffed damage. “IF” they tech, this means the next time you put them in block stun with charged HK, you should HP/EX Command grab. Unlike SF4 option selects, pressing throw in SF5 stops you from blocking and forces you to stand and throw if you are crouching. Under these conditions proceed to use her BNB: st.MP > HP > Booty (or) command Grab

#2 The opponent jumped, after charged HK block-stun.

Oh no! You lost a (buffed) normal throw. But guess what?- the key to this is your f.HP. A normal throw does not have the recovery frames of a cmd.grab - and with the buff of f.HP you can “Lady Mika” their neutral jump as you recover from your whiffed normal throw. So, we have Lady Mika (f.HP) > Wingless Airplane.

This is the true benefit of the new f.HP. I consider it an option select, of sorts. I use the term loosely

#3 The opponent is a shoto.

First confirm that Ken/Ryu or anyone else for that matter, doesn’t know how to punish a charged HK on reaction “BEFORE” you even land it. Then confirm that Ken/Ryu doesn’t know they can “DP punish” a charged HK after blockstun, before she can follow-up with MP > HP > Booty or anything else. First do a charged HK to put the shoto in block-stun, then just block and bait the DP. If its confirmed the shoto is ignorant, then proceed with steps outlined in 1 & 2

Yes, the dynamic of how we play Mika is changed. But let us take advantage of her new utilities.

Tested on Nash & Laura in a ranked match: Nash is a fast jump, and Laura is a floaty jump

Ideally, you want to use charged st.HK in the first round of conditioning and not follow-up with anything. This is conditioning so you will see how they react to st.HK . Just throw out charged Hard kicks the first round and do nothing. After you note their reactions, start punishing them after the HK in the 2nd round, only. They should not adapt fast enough, since you displayed no follow-ups in round 1. When they start adapting its too late.

Be warned, backdash blows this up; are you in range for a quick low into tick?

[Alexisdabomb]

Plus you can just crouch or stand Jab and beat the charged HK for free. I look at Charged HK as a tool that works against newbies and a combo extender. That’s about it.

[Alkipot]

Anyone has good CC/DP punishes? So far I’m using f.hp - dash - f.hp - EX air throw.
And st.mk works great against Laura, or I just played someone that wasn’t good.

Crush Counter: Use F.HP > charged HK > EX Wingless for more damage.

I assume this is possible in Beta 3? Because I tried doing it just now in Beta 2 (infinite beta) and it wasn’t happening. I still say a Passion Press combo is preferable if they’re close to the corner. It does good damage and you can end with a reset or EX Peach for the max amount of stun/damage.

Mika was appropriately adjusted and guys are crying lol. She was way too stupid in the last beta. If they nerf her st hk then you may have a legitimate gripe.

You wanna see a character with some issues? Use Laura. She’s not horrible, but she needs work.

Mika was never brain dead. The only thing brain dead about her is her AA Grab whiffing and she’s safe. That’s it. Her AA cr.MP loses to crossups. Peach/Butt Splash is definitely not safe on block. Etcetera. You have to have a good meta game to use her.

Laura is a top tier character so I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. Just comes off as a shitpost.

You call Laura top tier and you say my post is a shitpost? Fuckouttahere.

Mika’s mid screen wall bounce and corner reset were very stupid, and as much as I loved using it I knew it’d have to go at some point. I love using her and now she’s actually reasonable. St hp is still an amazing antiair. St hk is still + on block. I want to see what comes of her upon release so I can main her again.

Honestly, I forgot about st.HP. Damn… Its safe to say, st.HP is the equivalent of (BETA3) f.HP, but lacks CC/juggle-state properties. The priority might be different though. Im not sure, how much st.HP trades. I remember it being good, but never did it, in favor of cr.MP for resets- But thanks for reminding me. Its like Cammy’s SF4 anti air, lol

St. Hp has a stupid amount of active frames, so even if you hit it a bit early you’ll beat jump ins. Hit it late and at most you’ll trade, but Lady Mika has a much better payout. Wish I knew that before!

[melflomil]

@Alexisdabomb Laura’s LP elbow is like -1 on block. You can either grab, which can blow up all options accept for a grab which will result in a tech.

jab and they will be for to block, the

MP elbow is -3 and you can punish that easily. You can tell if it is the MP version because it hits at a 45 degree angle up while the LP version targets the mid section.

Mika’s command grab has way more range than Laura, like 2x more range

Her Fireball is negative on HIT and it moves you forward so she can actually get punished for it if you are expecting it.

St.mp could of been a gdlk AA but it moves you forward and basically puts you in a cross up situation. If they jump at the right Angle

Laura armour move isn’t safe on block it is like -5. Mika on the other, every time she did her armour move it seemed safe on block if they didn’t do the butt splash finish.

Laura’s ex command grab is neither hit or throw invulnerable. Only good thing about it is that it moves you forwarded quickly.

Not sure about the ex properties of mika’s command grabs

[Plaid_Unicorn]

@Alexisdabomb Laura’s LP elbow is like -1 on block. You can either grab, which can blow up all options accept for a grab which will result in a tech.

jab and they will be for to block, the

MP elbow is -3 and you can punish that easily. You can tell if it is the MP version because it hits at a 45 degree angle up while the LP version targets the mid section.

Mika’s command grab has way more range than Laura, like 2x more range

**Her Fireball is negative on HIT and it moves you forward so she can actually get punished for it if you are expecting it.
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St.mp could of been a gdlk AA but it moves you forward and basically puts you in a cross up situation. If they jump at the right Angle

Laura armour move isn’t safe on block it is like -5. Mika on the other, every time she did her armour move it seemed safe on block if they didn’t do the butt splash finish.

Laura’s ex command grab is neither hit or throw invulnerable. Only good thing about it is that it moves you forwarded quickly.

Not sure about the ex properties of mika’s command grabs

I’ll echo this. Playing against her with Birdie her fireball extends her hurtbox quite a bit. It makes sense because moving closer to the fireball will at worst give you a trade with a jumper, but with birdie chains it actually makes it really easy to punish her on reaction.

[Alexisdabomb]

Laura’s LP elbow is like -1 on block. You can either grab, which can blow up all options accept for a grab which will result in a tech.

jab and they will be for to block, the

MP elbow is -3 and you can punish that easily. You can tell if it is the MP version because it hits at a 45 degree angle up while the LP version targets the mid section.

Mika’s command grab has way more range than Laura, like 2x more range

Her Fireball is negative on HIT and it moves you forward so she can actually get punished for it if you are expecting it.

St.mp could of been a gdlk AA but it moves you forward and basically puts you in a cross up situation. If they jump at the right Angle

Laura armour move isn’t safe on block it is like -5. Mika on the other, every time she did her armour move it seemed safe on block if they didn’t do the butt splash finish.

Laura’s ex command grab is neither hit or throw invulnerable. Only good thing about it is that it moves you forwarded quickly.

Not sure about the ex properties of mika’s command grabs

Can you not do the @username thing please? Thanks.

Look, I’ve blocked multiple LP Elbows, was not able to punish it. I’ve tried throwing and she can jump out, I’ve crouch Jabbing and it’s somewhat successful. It seems like her regular command grab is invincible to throws. Unlike Mika and possibly Gief.

MP Elbow can be comboed from a low… Enough said. That was my entire point. Mika or any other grappler does not have a low that has range that can combo into something and is easily bufferable.

Laura has that mixup that Mika does not have.

Simple solution is for Laura to space correctly and she can AA with MP and it leads to a reset. Not terribly hard. Same with Mika but Mika’s cr.MP doesn’t hit as high and can’t be comboed off of.

Mika’s EX Peach isn’t safe on block either. That wasn’t my point. My point was that Laura has an armored EX move that has range, good damage, and (again) can be comboed from cr.MK. I don’t know why you don’t seem to get why that’s so good that she can confirm off of cr.MK into the Elbows OR her Grab Super.

I believe her EX Fireball is safe on hit which also leads to a reset. I can’t confirm 100% at the moment.

[melflomil]

MP elbow can’t combo from a low, only the LP one can. The ex fireball is plus three on block.

Mika has way more better buttons than Laura.

[Alexisdabomb]

MP elbow can’t combo from a low, only the LP one can. The ex fireball is plus three on block.

Mika has way more better buttons than Laura.

She can also combo from cr.MK into EX Elbow… I swear that you could do MP Elbow from cr.MK. No infinite beta 3 to check.

I would say as of Beta 3, Laura has better buttons and she makes you guess.

[JLALloyd]

She can also combo from cr.MK into EX Elbow… I swear that you could do MP Elbow from cr.MK. No infinite beta 3 to check.

She can’t, it only works on CH. She can only combo cr.mk to LP Elbow or super.
I was way more confident with Laura’s buttons than Mika’s. I know they won’t but I wish they gave her health back, getting close to a good Ryu/zoner requires some damage.

[Alkipot]

Some quick Laura facts:

• cr. MK can only combo into MP elbow off of a counter hit
• Jabs beat anything (except block) Laura can do after LP elbow. She can’t jump, backdash or command throw you
• Laura’s V-Skill (wheel kick) is extremely punishable on block. If it hits, she still can’t get shit off of it, unless it’s the V-triggered version AND it counter hits

Personally I think Mika has better buttons than Laura, but eh…

[noosetester]

“laura is a top tier character” lol

[Galaxis]

Also for Karen, that thing where she flies to counter fireballs? Well you can Wingless Airplane all of those. Just make sure she doesn’t bait you when you are far away- performing a short distance one. Make sure Karen does the long range one- when she’s long ranged. You have lots of time to react.

Yeah, that’s a free AA.

Just thinking outloud, Mika buffs I’d like to see somewhere down the line:

T.MK having the extended range it had in Beta 2. This would help tremendously against Karin and Chun with their amazing pokes.

V-Skill adds Super or V-Trigger meter. I would trade getting buffs for command grab damage for this and it would give your opponent more incentive to come at her. Because who cares if she buffs grab damage when she can’t get in on Chun or Karin?

st.HK (charged and uncharged) becomes an overhead. The charged version is already really easy to blow up and the uncharged version was given more negative frames on block. They can make the uncharged version unsafe if they got super and I think that would be fine.

A better crossup. j.LK is okay but if they very slightly move the crossup will completely whiff unlike every other crossup in the game. I can take or leave this one because her body splash might come in handy in such situations.

Since the change to st.MK, the other gap closer I have been relying upon is charged st.HK.

Mikas dynamic has changed with f.HP and how we should exploit people who love to Neutral jump command grabs.
I found new utility in the mic buff “only” when I’m going to use charged HK to deliberately have my opponent block. The point is to do a “normal” throw after the block stun and “NOT” a command grab. Now, because you have the mic, your normal throw does EX Typhoon damage; but that isn’t the point right now. IF you conditioned them correctly and they don’t neutral jump to punish you, 3 scenarios will take place, 2 of which you can severely punish them, given the considerable buff of f.HP (Lady Mika).

Should they block charged HK, here is how you should proceed:

#1 The opponent blocked.

You can throw them w/ buffed damage. “IF” they tech, this means the next time you put them in block stun with charged HK, you should HP/EX Command grab. Unlike SF4 option selects, pressing throw in SF5 stops you from blocking and forces you to stand and throw if you are crouching. Under these conditions proceed to use her BNB: st.MP > HP > Booty (or) command Grab

#2 The opponent jumped, after charged HK block-stun.

Oh no! You lost a (buffed) normal throw. But guess what?- the key to this is your f.HP. A normal throw does not have the recovery frames of a cmd.grab - and with the buff of f.HP you can “Lady Mika” their neutral jump as you recover from your whiffed normal throw. So, we have Lady Mika (f.HP) > Wingless Airplane.

This is the true benefit of the new f.HP. I consider it an option select, of sorts. I use the term loosely

#3 The opponent is a shoto.

First confirm that Ken/Ryu or anyone else for that matter, doesn’t know how to punish a charged HK on reaction “BEFORE” you even land it. Then confirm that Ken/Ryu doesn’t know they can “DP punish” a charged HK after blockstun, before she can follow-up with MP > HP > Booty or anything else. First do a charged HK to put the shoto in block-stun, then just block and bait the DP. If its confirmed the shoto is ignorant, then proceed with steps outlined in 1 & 2

Yes, the dynamic of how we play Mika is changed. But let us take advantage of her new utilities.

Tested on Nash & Laura in a ranked match: Nash is a fast jump, and Laura is a floaty jump

Ideally, you want to use charged st.HK in the first round of conditioning and not follow-up with anything. This is conditioning so you will see how they react to st.HK . Just throw out charged Hard kicks the first round and do nothing. After you note their reactions, start punishing them after the HK in the 2nd round, only. They should not adapt fast enough, since you displayed no follow-ups in round 1. When they start adapting its too late.

Be warned, backdash blows this up; are you in range for a quick low into tick?

Yes, you can definitely back-dash. But like I said in the first round- don’t follow-up with anything after the charged HK. In the 2nd round, if you see the person likes to back-dash, simply readjust and do a low tick into a non-charged HK (to counter-hit the backdash) > EX.Wingless. Very important to see how they react. Do they jab you out of start up frames, back-dash, neutral jump, jump-backwards, DP, throw, or jab after hit-stun? Also, blow up the back-dash with (Lady MIKA > Wingless) or (st.LK > st.LK > MP ~ Booty).

Its all about conditioning.

Now! Can someone please inform me about the properties of “shooting peach” - Cuz, I just saw a MIKA on BETA3 punish fireballs with it. The fireball was clearly out, and “Peach” simply goes through it. And why do we emphasize charged st.HK going through fireballs instead of Shooting Peach?

…Please advise, because this is some interesting tech I didn’t know about.

~thanks!

[Alexisdabomb]

Some quick Laura facts:

• cr. MK can only combo into MP elbow off of a counter hit
• Jabs beat anything (except block) Laura can do after LP elbow. She can’t jump, backdash or command throw you
• Laura’s V-Skill (wheel kick) is extremely punishable on block. If it hits, she still can’t get shit off of it, unless it’s the V-triggered version AND it counter hits

Personally I think Mika has better buttons than Laura, but eh…

Well, I was able to do cr.MK into MP Elbow in Beta 3. Once the offline beta 3 is out everyone can test. If I’m wrong then I’m wrong. But I find funny how guys like you ignore my other points completely. She has lows that she can combo from and also land her super? Why is this not registering as something important to you? And I doubt her V-Skill Wheel Kick is punishable at max range which is the range you would do it at of course.

[Alexisdabomb]

Laura’s LP elbow is like -1 on block. You can either grab, which can blow up all options accept for a grab which will result in a tech.

Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second here. You guys are saying “Oh, the LP Elbow is only -1 on block. That’s fine.” Again, ignoring that she can confirm off of cr.MK and she can do it as a poke and it’s hard to react to. And guess what? Mika’s st.HK (uncharged) is -2 on block and I tested point blank against Ryu and there was no way Ryu could punish and if he tried to throw I could tech.

[noosetester]

Well, I was able to do cr.MK into MP Elbow in Beta 3.

I’m not convinced you understand what a combo is. Is this like that time you were doing combos on block?

[rayplay]

Some quick Laura facts:

• cr. MK can only combo into MP elbow off of a counter hit
• Jabs beat anything (except block) Laura can do after LP elbow. She can’t jump, backdash or command throw you
• Laura’s V-Skill (wheel kick) is extremely punishable on block. If it hits, she still can’t get shit off of it, unless it’s the V-triggered version AND it counter hits

Personally I think Mika has better buttons than Laura, but eh…

Actually, I noticed cr.MK can combo into MP Elbow on normal hit, but not at max range.

And assuming you mean LP elbow on hit, shouldn’t s.MP beat out jabs since priority over lights?

[noosetester]

Some quick Laura facts:

• cr. MK can only combo into MP elbow off of a counter hit
• Jabs beat anything (except block) Laura can do after LP elbow. She can’t jump, backdash or command throw you
• Laura’s V-Skill (wheel kick) is extremely punishable on block. If it hits, she still can’t get shit off of it, unless it’s the V-triggered version AND it counter hits

Personally I think Mika has better buttons than Laura, but eh…

Actually, I noticed cr.MK can combo into MP Elbow on normal hit, but not at max range.

And assuming you mean LP elbow on hit, shouldn’t s.MP beat out jabs since priority over lights?

LP elbow is +2 on hit and both st.MP and cmd. grab is 6f so jabs will win, but cr.MP works and combos into itself on CH. Even though LP elbow is -2 and not punishable on block, it’s still particularly bad as it forces point blank range. Her EX elbow does not have armor on some amount of the startup frames and it isn’t throw invincible, so you’re basically gifting your opponent momentum without being able to challenge it.

[rayplay]

Her whole gameplan is based around training you so so the s.MP threat is meant to make you stop pressing buttons, but that’s for the Laura thread so I’ll leave it at that.