R.Mika General Thread: She's Stone Cold

Parge · 2015-12-11T08:33:17.000Z

Ragnorok64:

I’ve been out of the loop. Didn’t you used to be able to backdash after the Irish whip, mid-screen to force them to bounce off the edge of the screen or was that something from a long long time ago?

That’s been gone a for a while.

CriminalUpper · 2015-12-11T08:34:47.000Z

Parge:

Buffs
f.HP seems to have more frame advantage on block. f.HP, c.jab/s.jab is a true blockstring, can’t DP in between.

Does f+HP seem faster to you at all? Don’t remember it coming out so quickly but it was a while ago

Ragnorok64:

I’ve been out of the loop. Didn’t you used to be able to backdash after the Irish whip, mid-screen to force them to bounce off the edge of the screen or was that something from a long long time ago?

They removed that shortly after the 2nd beta was over.

noosetester · 2015-12-11T08:39:17.000Z

Parge:

The MP in her target combo no longer has the same frame advantage on hit as her normal MP, before you could delay the 2nd hit on the target combo to get a counter hit and link s.hp, now you can only link a jab.

That’s not true. It was always +1 on hit.

Ragnorok64 · 2015-12-11T08:39:47.000Z

Parge:

Ragnorok64:

I’ve been out of the loop. Didn’t you used to be able to backdash after the Irish whip, mid-screen to force them to bounce off the edge of the screen or was that something from a long long time ago?

That’s been gone a for a while.

I’ve never really been able to play the legit beta. Didn’t have a PS4 compatible stick.

CriminalUpper · 2015-12-11T08:41:05.000Z

Edit: Nevermind my timings off. Guess f+HP was buffed, more frame adv

Parge · 2015-12-11T08:42:24.000Z

CriminalUpper:

Edit: Nevermind my timings off. Guess f+HP was buffed, more frame adv

hard to say just by looking at it.

Parge · 2015-12-11T08:43:56.000Z

CriminalUpper:

Parge:

Buffs
f.HP seems to have more frame advantage on block. f.HP, c.jab/s.jab is a true blockstring, can’t DP in between.

Does f+HP seem faster to you at all? Don’t remember it coming out so quickly but it was a while ago

Ragnorok64:

I’ve been out of the loop. Didn’t you used to be able to backdash after the Irish whip, mid-screen to force them to bounce off the edge of the screen or was that something from a long long time ago?

They removed that shortly after the 2nd beta was over.

Hard to say just by looking at it, not too sure.

@noosetester

You could definitely link a s.mp after the 2nd hit of the target combo before on counterhit, it doesn’t work anymore.

Hawkingbird · 2015-12-11T08:44:02.000Z

It’s a lot easier to land wingless airplane after landing f.hp. I remember timing needing to be precise to land the non ex-version midscreen in B2.

noosetester · 2015-12-11T08:45:23.000Z

Parge:

CriminalUpper:

Parge:

Buffs
f.HP seems to have more frame advantage on block. f.HP, c.jab/s.jab is a true blockstring, can’t DP in between.

Does f+HP seem faster to you at all? Don’t remember it coming out so quickly but it was a while ago

Ragnorok64:

I’ve been out of the loop. Didn’t you used to be able to backdash after the Irish whip, mid-screen to force them to bounce off the edge of the screen or was that something from a long long time ago?

They removed that shortly after the 2nd beta was over.

Hard to say just by looking at it, not too sure.

@noosetester

You could definitely link a s.mp after the 2nd hit of the target combo before on counterhit, it doesn’t work anymore.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1976rt8B91PqVCeYJAmcnW1uwVJ0H03QJtV-dJC5ohL8/edit#gid=2110368179

Lumbro1 · 2015-12-11T08:45:47.000Z

Oh my… Target combo is now punishable on block. Neutral st mp -1 on block. No more block strings.

CriminalUpper · 2015-12-11T08:49:14.000Z

Lumbro1:

Oh my… Target combo is now punishable on block. Neutral st mp -1 on block. No more block strings.

s.MP was always -1 iirc.

And you can make Target Combo safe if you space it max distance.

Parge · 2015-12-11T08:50:11.000Z

noosetester:

Parge:

CriminalUpper:

Parge:

Buffs
f.HP seems to have more frame advantage on block. f.HP, c.jab/s.jab is a true blockstring, can’t DP in between.

Does f+HP seem faster to you at all? Don’t remember it coming out so quickly but it was a while ago

Ragnorok64:

I’ve been out of the loop. Didn’t you used to be able to backdash after the Irish whip, mid-screen to force them to bounce off the edge of the screen or was that something from a long long time ago?

They removed that shortly after the 2nd beta was over.

Hard to say just by looking at it, not too sure.

@noosetester

You could definitely link a s.mp after the 2nd hit of the target combo before on counterhit, it doesn’t work anymore.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1976rt8B91PqVCeYJAmcnW1uwVJ0H03QJtV-dJC5ohL8/edit#gid=2110368179

Then the frame data was wrong before, i just tested it on both versions, do I really have to make a video?

Parge · 2015-12-11T08:50:57.000Z

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noosetester · 2015-12-11T08:53:13.000Z

It might be wrong by a frame, but if the mps had the same frame data before you’d be able to link st.hp with or without ch after either.

Alexisdabomb · 2015-12-11T08:57:00.000Z

Damn, dudes are jumping in here with more info. My report:

t.HP did get buffed. t.HP, cr.LP is a true blockstring now. In Beta 2, it was possible for Ryu to mash SRK in between HP and LP and other characters could do EX SRK to break it. This is a relatively good change but doesn’t do much for her overall gameplay.

st.HK (Uncharged) still CC’s but now it’s airborne and the opponent slows down in the air (like when you’d KO an opponent in SF2) so you can’t land Passion Press or call Nadeshiko. But, you can still reset them with either t.MP/t.MK, or land a Sweep, or do MP or EX Peach. LP and HP Peach will not work. You can also do her AA grab. I don’t mind this change.

j.LK has a weird hitbox now. Very difficult to time a crossup. Feels like they only want you to do it once you have them in the corner.

Didn’t notice much of a difference with t.MK. They maybe nerfed the range a little bit but it’s not very significant. I did notice that it was harder to do Passion Press, t.MK reset but it’s still possible, t.MK has to be done earlier (or you could just mash t.MK).

CriminalUpper · 2015-12-11T08:58:17.000Z

Seems like s.LK>MP Target Combo also got a buff.

The MP has more range and is less prone to whiffing on hit… It’s actually really consistent. It can whiff but nowhere near as easily as the previous beta build. I like this because it means you can use it at a safer range (since it’s punishable now…)

Parge · 2015-12-11T08:58:50.000Z

noosetester:

It might be wrong by a frame, but if the mps had the same frame data before you’d be able to link st.hp with or without ch after either.

They were only the same during counter hit, I’ll edit my original post.

Lumbro1 · 2015-12-11T09:03:51.000Z

CriminalUpper:

And you can make Target Combo safe if you space it max distance.

Target combo went from -2 to being able to be punished by mediums. -5 at least. There’s no range where stuff like ryu st lk xx hurricane won’t punish it. Almost every char will have something that will reach. St mp has always been -1 though you are correct. ( could have sworn it was plus, weird)

CriminalUpper · 2015-12-11T09:05:57.000Z

Alexisdabomb:

j.LK has a weird hitbox now. Very difficult to time a crossup. Feels like they only want you to do it once you have them in the corner.

It’s not difficult at all. Just landed a bunch of crossups in succession now.

Immediate j.LK after EX Brimstone still crosses up.

Immediate j.LK after HP Peach still crosses up if opponent quick rises.

Not convinced there was much of a change here.

Alexisdabomb · 2015-12-11T09:15:30.000Z

I dunno, j.LK feels nerfed to me.