I’m saying far worse from the spectator point of view theres no denying it LOOKS HORRIBLE and the thing is this story didn’t just break to the FGC this was on Gamebreakers a big LOL and competetive WoW site, among other E-Sports sites the general response to the general public you see in the comments was not over the collusion/ collusion attempt or “underperformance” it was over the blowup that is my only point that I care has any validity. I’m not speaking from a moral standpoint honestly I think this issue is a petty one and doesn’t call for that kind of emotional involvement. I am disappointed at the precedent it sets however it seems like the majority is ok with it and I don’t think its something to buck the majority over. I believe that that particular moment was theirs but moving forward we play games and we play games together and if that’s the way most people wanna play the game is super serious all the time then I say bring a body bag with you cause I’m keeping my pockets empty so I can fill em with that prize money. LBVS though another point to bring up is well is the brother factor. I know at the height of my marvel 3 days I’d play at least a 100 game set with my brother everyday. Most days it went even some my way some his way but overall even no BS if we went to the same major tournament together 2 things would be a given. 1 we’re splitting the pot and 2. If I really want to have the best chances of winning I’m playing some crazy team I rarely play or in a 1 character vs 1 character game like BB I’m going Random select. Even if they were goofing off to an extent theres no denying that going random select vs an opponent who deals with your optimal strategy on a daily basis is a valid tournament strategy if you have an advanced understanding of the game and most of its characters.
Solving the issue of collusion at majors in a way that respects everyone:
Separate from the tournament prize pool, set aside money for a “Fight of the Night” prize to be awarded to hypest match in Top 8 onward. Prize is split equally between both players. FOTN winner gets selected by TO or popular vote, TO’s preference.
Now this doesn’t affect in any way what players choose to do with their money after it is awarded, but it does give every player at the top of the tourney financial incentive to respect their matches.
As an added bonus, it also gives players an additional incentive to show up for the tournament even when they aren’t entirely convinced of their ability to win it all.
If you think this idea has merit, get it out to the people who matter.
(Yes, the FOTN idea was inspired by the UFC.)
To be honest, the two brothers actually got lucky if you think about it. I mean, if I was the TO and that shit happened, I’d have made sure they got a total of $0 and banned them from future tourneys, while having 3rd and 4th play it out for the 1st and 2nd money on top of what they had because well, fuck those two for saying “fuck you” to the community.
If that was actually enforced, there could be a TON of liability issues that could ruin the entire tournament scene far worse than collusion accusations. What’s to stop a TO from enforcing this rule just because they just plain don’t like the guys who made it, claiming that he merely suspects collusion. What’s the legal line that defines collusion over picking another character for lols, like when Justin Wong picked Dan in a SSFIV Grand Finals back in a 2011 major (forget which one though)? A consequence as severe as permabans and confiscation better damn well have better proof than a suspicion.
Like someone else posted earlier, as long as the two players who made it to Grand Finals made it there fairly (as in, the collusion did not permeate throughout the entire tournament), it should be allowed. Yeah, it sucks that they’re fooling around when everyone else worked hard to get there, but you can’t compare collusion in a video game grand finals that only happened strictly because the two players were fortuante enough to make it there, to collusion in a major sports event, since THAT kind of crap wouldn’t just affect two different people, but the entire team and staff.
This is so hilariously wrong that its not even funny. If there were no bad match ups, only bad players, Daigo wouldn’t have switched to Yun for 2012, Mago would’ve kept Fei during Super and then whatever the fuck you call Infiltration’s swiss army knife of counterpicks. Hell, even Kuroda made the switch from Q to Ken for an SBO.
So…I think we can say, decisively, that you are incorrect.
lets try again…
GF IS STILL PART OF THE TOURNAMENT, thus still under the tournament rules including “no match-fixing” (if the tournament has one)
Players fix the GF match, rule is broken, players get punished.
can it b made simpler than that?
they have no “right” here
All of the rest of them make sense. But IIRC, even when Kuroda moved to Ken in SBO, he was running Ken with SA2 I believe. He was still handicapping himself because he could and still win.
All the rest of them are accurate though.
Even SA2 Ken is still better than Q
Kuroda is a bad example. He tries to win sbo with a different character every year. Last year he played Oro. It’s not like he picked Ken because Q wasn’t good enough.
The sole key point is the integrity of the tournament. This rule in gentlemen’s form has been in effect and has been invoked for at least a decade now across a variety of tournaments. The sole newness here is that you’re hearing about it.
Because with the way everything is streamed nowadays and all of the people at the event, a TO would not be able to get away with something like that in front of so many eyes. That TO will probably have ended his own TO career, and he’d risk his whole career/hobby just because he doesn’t like two guys who legitimately made it through his tournament? The same tournament he spent time and money to organise? Nah.
I’m actually surprised at how many people do not seem to understand this bit.
The point of tournaments isn’t to give top players money. It’s to find out who among those who are competing at that tournament is best at that point in time. Dicking around in GFs and not playing it out defeats the purpose of that.
Which goes back to what I posted before. You don’t want people dicking around in GF? Stamp them out so that they don’t have the chance.
People can’t collude if they go 0-2.
I’m not a fan of pot splitting either, since it results in half-assed games.
I understand the reasoning very well, though.
Pots at fighting game tournaments are pitiful and even really good pro players like PR.Rog beg for money on their streams and people like Gootecks and FChamp try to rip people off with stupid ass videos, in order to sustain a living.
The amount of work amazing players put into these games isn’t proportional at all to the payoff they gather from tournament winnings and sponsorship money, unless you’re Daigo of course.
I wish there was a bigger player base and thus a bigger “e-sports” crowd and more sponsors in this genre, but since there’s not, I say just fucking act if you’re trying your hardest and don’t be an ass in public about it.
to put a rule against collusion into writing seems impossible unless you are outright admitting it (stupidly) like the guys in the frost faustings example. So I don’t know what can really be done short from what was done. I just think it is an asshole thing to do from a player point of view. at least say 1 of you has to buy dinner or something so there is some sort of meaningful competition gain left.
take 1st n 2nd winnings, give it to 3rd and 4th place
You don’t like it?
Enter and beat them.
That’s really all it comes down to for me.
Kinda disgusting to see those two guys get their prize $ taken away. They earned the right to play however they wanted when they beat everyone in their paths.
It’s not the popular thing to do and it will piss people off.
But welcome to fighting games.
Flocker agrees with me, anyway. Lord Raptor thinks the reigning Evo champ should GTFO this community!!
Top players tend to forget that if they aren’t Daigo, they are pretty replaceable.
OK, so it’s the “X TOP PLAYER AGREES WITH ME HA HA I AM RIGHT IN YOUR FACE” card now?
-1/10.