Its all of our rights to want answers to this. The only thing that could be wrong is if that profile is real or fake. I didnt post Ryan Lanza profile I posted a friend of that kids profile who said it wasnt him.
Essentially good mourning my post was to keep our discussed information as accurate as possible.
It will turn into stabbings or said crazy people will still get guns.
Apparently the guy’s girlfriend and her friend are missing
Obama visibly moved, I didn’t expect him to mention anything about gun laws, but I’m glad he hinted that this shit needs to end.
Fox News gonna pounce, talk about him wiping his tears and how he appears to China, or they’ll say he faked it. :bluu:
Not attached to em. Deleted.
Hopefully, the Facebook mis-framing will not overshadow the implications of the (horrifying) shooting itself. Though it does raise a whole other discussion about how readily misinformation can spread with modern technologies, with disastrous results.
There have been multiple mass killings in schools per year since at least the 1970s, if I recall correctly. The deadliest one being in an elementary school in 1927 a couple cities away from where I live now.
I think a distinction must be made right out of the gate, because this is something we’re going to be hearing a lot in the coming days. To “politicize” a tragedy is to use the tragedy as a pretext to advocate for a pet cause. It is not simply to ask what can be done to reduce the likelihood of similar tragedies in the future. I hope everybody keeps this distinction in mind anytime the cable news peanut gallery revs up.
There will be calls for increased security in our elementary schools–metal detectors, security guards, zero tolerance for suspicious behavior, and so on. These don’t work. Such policies have gone under federal review after being implemented post-Columbine. The results are increased hostility toward weird kids and minority kids, with no discernible improvement in safety. And really, come on. How does a school develop better security measures in response to random acts of violence?
I do not believe that disarming the American populace is a wise solution to infrequent and isolated crimes as this one. The vast majority of American gun owners do not commit mass shootings, or violent crimes of any sort for that matter. It therefore does not make sense to enact a sweeping, indiscriminate, incredibly powerful law that will mainly affect people who have done nothing to warrant it.
A ban on guns is often the first solution that people consider in the immediate aftermath of an act of gun violence. It should be the very last one, and not until other, less extreme options have been exhausted. And there are others, many of which have either been addressed either insufficiently or not at all.
We have laws on the books to regulate the purchase and ownership of firearms. Many of those laws are poorly/inconsistently enforced and some of them can be circumvented through loopholes. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold acquired their weapons through straw purchases (i.e. sending a friend to buy for them) at gun shows, which Colorado’s background check laws at the time did not extend to. Colorado has since fixed this problem. This is just one case in which we had the legal power, but not the comprehensive enforcement, to impede access to firearms for people who shouldn’t have had it.
Something that needs to be destigmatized and opened up for a very serious in-depth national dialogue right now is mental health. It is something that is not taken seriously enough in this country, never has been, but must be in the future. I’m not saying I know for a fact that mental health problems are a central issue in today’s massacre, but they have been in so many others and it’s the first thing that people scuttle off to the margins when they start to piece together their thoughts about it.
One way to address this is widely available, free mental health care for anybody who feels that they need it. It is not a luxury, not an option, but a necessity that people who are either suffering a mental illness or have family members who are have every resource they need to deal with their situation. This is quite literally a deadly serious issue. This is one area in which the passage of legislation would incontrovertibly do some good, not just in the prevention of future tragedies, but in the overall improvement of the quality of life of all American citizens.
I would also like to see some public advocacy directed toward families and friends of mentally ill people who may own firearms. In other words, if you know someone who owns a firearm and has been diagnosed with a disorder that impairs their cognitive or emotional functionality, it is your duty to either get the firearm out of that person’s possession or to alert somebody who can. Many people are uncomfortable admitting when a loved one is mentally ill, but that unpleasantness and social stigma cannot take precedence over the safety risk posed by a firearm in the hands of someone whose behaviors and thought processes are dangerously unpredictable.
If MADD can completely reverse the public’s perception of the threat posed by drunk driving and the necessity of public awareness in just a couple decades, then surely a similar program can be applied to firearms in the hands of the mentally ill–an even more imperative issue with much more at stake.
One more thing I’d like to say is that people should not despair about how society is going into shit or how the world is sick or whatever. Consider this: we all, every one of us, have a tremendous capacity for violence. We are all capable of enacting a massacre such as this. Yet, over 7 billion people go their whole lives without doing anything of the sort. It is a very small segment of our species that receives a disproportionately large amount of attention for doing horrible things, while the rest of us look on and try to live our lives in relative peace. Think on that.
Which has nothing to do with posting links to the personal pages of someone people think did it.
Fair enough, but you still included that information in your quote, which is my reason for including your name.
If someone killed 5,000 people with a gun, people would still say it has nothing to do with guns. Guns are big business, so of course the discussion is diverted from the weapon itself.
edit: goodmourning, I see what you’re saying and I agree. Still, gun control doesn’t necessarily mean a ban on all guns and it certainly is a major factor in these cases. There’s a difference between banning assault weapons and taking everyone’s handgun or hunting rifle.
Also guys Jack Thompson hasn’t been taken seriously in his profession for years. Like Real Talk, dude has been the laughingstock of the legal community for so long. He literally crazied his way out of credibility.
Oh look, one of my irrefutable factual posts gets deleted…yet again…nice. Glad to know im being watched and on the mods minds 24/7. Makes me feel real relevant and important.
it’ll give people a better chance to defend themselves.
BTW! Before I even read the story, I KNEW the shooter was white…lol, typical. :-/
Damn it, Wolf Blitzer. Stop calling the wrong Lanza!
There are no words to describe this.
I just…fuck everything right now. 
Our society produces more and more people because it’s a fucked up, stifling control freak dystopia with a liberal dose of consumerism and more obsessive desire to control others as the official religion. Current Western society treats people more like machine parts than like organisms. It’s evident from city planning to education to work, everything.
You make this stuff stop not by taking the guns from people, you make this stuff stop by dismantling the fucked-up structures of our society so people can live different lives as suits them. As someone once said, he wouldn’t last a couple days in an office job, but he’s good enough to wake up early and feed the chickens. But the endless corporatism, everyday people’s desire to forcibly decide how others ought to live, they don’t let such people to. And then they break down.
Yet people want to treat the symptoms with more control and force instead of advocating less systems, less control, more freedom for people to live and act in a way that makes them feel satisfied.
Better just enable them to live in such a way that they don’t go crazy. Apart from psychopaths (a personality type that doesn’t really feel empathy and is quite narcistic. Only the worst are killers, the rest could be likened to emotional/social vampires) which are becoming a bigger and bigger portion of the population due to people’s general mobility making it a more feasible, most of these kilelrs are just really desperate some way or another. They feel stifled and/or ostracized from what I’ve gathered.
More control might help a wee bit, but overall it just makes the control mania problem worse. Which results in more of these nutcases.
Everyone wants to be first to break the news. Fucking bunch of idiots, I hope this guy can successfully sue CNN and Fox News.
Update, one of the brothers has also been found dead.
I wonder if this has something to do with the “end of the world” shit that everyone’s talking about, or if it’s just coincidence.
Also for anyone asking “why?” don’t bother. You can’t rationalize the irrational. It’s like trying to apply our laws of physics to a different universe. Shit wont make sense.
As for teachers having guns? Um… no. That’s an insane knee jerk reaction. First of all school shootings aren’t exactly common. Granted they’re more common than the news would have us believe (because it’s only national news when it’s… well I wont get into that, but … yeah). Still though what will a teacher with a gun do? Well the first teacher will get shot, 'cause no one’s expecting it. Then when everyone is running around shitting themselves maybe another teacher comes out with their gun to do something. Gunman has an automatic, teacher has a semi-auto at best. Gunman doesn’t give a fuck who he shoots, teacher has one target that he may or may not hit. In a real world scenario gunman probably wins, and teacher shoots someone running away from the action in the back.
Where does the teacher keep the gun? What if a student gets it? Seeing as it’d probably be years before a teacher has to access it, and they wont even be thinking about it, how fast will they be able to get to said gun in a crisis situation? Are the teachers going to be responsible enough to clean their guns, take gun training courses, and be cool enough under fire to be able to use it properly?
Republicans will continue defending the right to bear arms even as things such as this happen. Sure, guns don’t kill people, people kill people, etc, and the one responsible definitely had some huge problems. What I’d like to see is that people’s options for murder if they so choose be more limited. Something as powerful as access to a gun should not be at the fingertips of the average person, considering how easy it is to abuse.
Knife injuuries are a hell of a lot more ugly than gunshot wounds. That you can defend yourself from a knife-toting loony better than a gun-wielding maniac is pretty suspect. If only the perp has a gun, peerrrhaps. But there’s a reason the gun is known as the great equalizer.
I have to say I am more interested in the false accusation of this Ryan guy.
I smell a remake of the Fugitive.
This wrong Lanza fellow’s life is going to be fucked up for a very long time.
I fully agree with this. I’m not arguing against any and all gun-related legislation, but I specifically wanted to point out that a gun ban is an extreme solution, and that many people are avoiding a more critical, nuanced evaluation of the problem.
