Ps2 games on ps3...lag?

Toodles · 2008-11-13T23:00:15.000Z

Novan_Leon:

Here’s a link to a post on AVSForum.com explaining the PS3-through-HDMI lag in greater detail, for those who are interested: Click here.

The lag seems related to the PS3’s inability to output to 480i through HDMI, thus forcing it to run a deinterlacing algorithm in order to output to 480p, which results in 2-3 frames of lag on PS2 games that don’t support progressive scan. You may want to try playing your PS2 games in your PS3 via component cables instead of HDMI.

Using the regular composite cables (yellow, red, white) on my 60GB PS3 still results in lag.

System_1 · 2008-11-13T23:02:20.000Z

Toodles:

Using the regular composite cables (yellow, red, white) on my 60GB PS3 still results in lag.

Depending on your TV (Samsung’s always seem to lag) you may need to change the TV mode to Game Mode. I haven’t tried this myself though, so I’m not sure.

MarkMan · 2008-11-13T23:11:37.000Z

No matter what. There is always lag. Any way you cut it. ;(

tokerblue · 2008-11-14T06:23:28.000Z

Even with game mode on, the Samsung LCD’s will have at least 30ms lag. Not to mention that the picture controls will be locked.

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DSlayerZX · 2008-11-14T08:06:18.000Z

well, one thing you learn from been an EE major, we don’t live in a perfect world, every electronic you use will have lag, the difference is just how obvious the lag is to the users.

to be true, I think the lag you get when using component connection from PS3 to a LCDTV is worse than using the HDMI connection. how ever, I do not notice bad input lag when I am playing PS3 games connection to a traditional laser TV via component.

long story short, this is my experience from playing fps under different settings
ps2 game on ps3 = lag
up sampling (by either the system or TV) = lag (sometimes the image tears too)
component to LCDTV = lag
using digital switch box to change between source = lag (depends on the switch box)

Canto · 2008-11-14T08:28:57.000Z

Look, after a couple of months of playing PS2 fighters on the PS3, then going to tournaments and playing the same games on PS2s you will notice that things happen very smoothly because technically you are doing things quicker than if you did it with the 3 frames lag. At least thats how I like to think of it.

I played Arcana Hearts on PS3 all the time, went to a tournament in Atlanta where they played the game on PS2s and it felt like BUTTER! Everything seemed to be coming out easier and I had no missed inputs or anything.

final_cut · 2008-11-15T05:07:17.000Z

Canto:

Look, after a couple of months of playing PS2 fighters on the PS3, then going to tournaments and playing the same games on PS2s you will notice that things happen very smoothly because technically you are doing things quicker than if you did it with the 3 frames lag. At least thats how I like to think of it.

I played Arcana Hearts on PS3 all the time, went to a tournament in Atlanta where they played the game on PS2s and it felt like BUTTER! Everything seemed to be coming out easier and I had no missed inputs or anything.

that’s an interesting way to look at it.

Canto · 2008-11-15T11:49:45.000Z

final_cut:

that’s an interesting way to look at it.

Only real con is timing of parrys in 3rd Strike :lovin:

Ghaleon · 2008-11-16T02:56:02.000Z

DSlayerZX:

well, one thing you learn from been an EE major, we don’t live in a perfect world, every electronic you use will have lag, the difference is just how obvious the lag is to the users.

to be true, I think the lag you get when using component connection from PS3 to a LCDTV is worse than using the HDMI connection. how ever, I do not notice bad input lag when I am playing PS3 games connection to a traditional laser TV via component.

long story short, this is my experience from playing fps under different settings
ps2 game on ps3 = lag
up sampling (by either the system or TV) = lag (sometimes the image tears too)
component to LCDTV = lag
using digital switch box to change between source = lag (depends on the switch box)

Component cables don’t create lag that HDMI doesn’t. The ONLY case where you’d REALLY need HDMI over Component is on a 1080p TV, almost none of which do 1080p component. Otherwise component and HDMI carry a 1080i/720p signal the same.

DSlayerZX · 2008-11-16T04:32:07.000Z

hmmm… interesting. we have three LCDTV in our apartment, they are 19", 24", 40"
the component cable to the 19 inch has some lag, not too badly… but there is a little bit of it
the 24 inch suppose to be 1080i also has lag, but that also might be the westinghouse LCD TV =_=

and to be honest, I never try the component input on the 40" since we always use HDMI cable… I will give it a shot when our xbox360 return from M$ due to the Red ring of death.

2000_watts · 2008-12-02T02:37:07.000Z

If you change the maximum resolution on the PS3 from 1080p to 720p, will this reduce lag?

NeoChaosX · 2008-12-02T02:46:12.000Z

2000_watts:

If you change the maximum resolution on the PS3 from 1080p to 720p, will this reduce lag?

Nope. The lag happens even when the PS3 is run in 480i.

tokerblue · 2008-12-02T04:33:26.000Z

2000_watts:

If you change the maximum resolution on the PS3 from 1080p to 720p, will this reduce lag?

The PS3 runs 720p for virtually every game, even if the game will scale to 1080p. If you want to force the PS3 to 1080p, you literally have to uncheck every other resolution. But that causes a lot of other problems.

2000_watts · 2008-12-06T00:19:47.000Z

On cvs2 on PS3 (all settings), I very rarely can connect Rolento’s throw, dash, scouter jump crossup. I’m keeping my PS2.

System_1 · 2009-07-06T14:57:11.000Z

Damn I wish I knew this earlier. I bought a PS1 game called [media=youtube]sUtvXieagsM&feature=related"[/media] off Ebay and received it yesterday. I swear I thought it was me the whole time that couldn’t get the timing right on the 4th beats. :shake:

Example of Bust a Groove played on a PS1//PS2:

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(You see how the 4th beat always lands on the green space?)

Example of Bust a Groove played on a PS3

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(Frame Lag :sad:)

dezertg · 2009-07-06T22:19:18.000Z

Playing a PS1 game on PS3: isn’t that using software emulation (i.e. perhaps even more lag)?

Now, for a related question: what about a PS1 game played on a PS2? Is it known whether it produces lag? Like above, I’m asking as a sanity check of my impressions.

System_1 · 2009-07-07T01:34:04.000Z

Yea I always have gotten lag

MSF78 · 2010-10-02T22:18:57.000Z

Games systems do not create input lag. I own a launch 60GB PS3 Phat. Played 3’s on it on my friends Philips model #40pfl3705d/f7(avoid at all cost!) LCD 120hz HDTV and it was Laggy as hell so laggy I got beat by my friends girlfriend lol she was mashing but anyway the point is I know the system doesn’t create the input lag cause I play on an Acer LCD monitor at home and I have no problems. It’s the manufactures problem since they don’t bother looking into if the tv’s they produce will have any negative effects on game consoles. Thus my friend is returning his TV and getting a refund. Yet I wish TV manufactures would create a gaming console exclusive none input lag TV ect,. CRT’s are input lag free but are rare now a days and hard to find especially in HD or of good performance.

NeoChaosX · 2010-10-02T22:47:16.000Z

MSF78:

Games systems do not create input lag.

Um, you couldn’t be more horrribly wrong. PS2 games have been tested on a PS3 hooked up to a SDTV and even there it lagged. Just because you can’t notice the lag doesn’t mean it’s not there.

Toodles · 2010-10-02T23:02:16.000Z

MSF78:

Games systems do not create input lag. I own a launch 60GB PS3 Phat. Played 3’s on it on my friends Philips model #40pfl3705d/f7(avoid at all cost!) LCD 120hz HDTV and it was Laggy as hell so laggy I got beat by my friends girlfriend lol she was mashing but anyway the point is I know the system doesn’t create the input lag cause I play on an Acer LCD monitor at home and I have no problems. It’s the manufactures problem since they don’t bother looking into if the tv’s they produce will have any negative effects on game consoles. Thus my friend is returning his TV and getting a refund. Yet I wish TV manufactures would create a gaming console exclusive none input lag TV ect,. CRT’s are input lag free but are rare now a days and hard to find especially in HD or of good performance.

With everything else being equal (TV, PS2 game disc, video connection type), inputs are delayed on a PS3 (verified on 20, 60 and 80GB models with software BC) compared to a PS2. Concluding that PS3’s dont lag with BC titles because you lost on a laggy TV makes as much sense as concluding they don’t because you got beat by someone that was left handed.