Not really, Tenderizer only forces people to block in the air, Nova wants them to block on the ground ideally. It’s just the poor cousin of Cold Star in Nova terms.
Can I get some opinions on Nova/Vergil/Hawkeye? I feel like it’s a more flexible version of Yipes’ team, and I’ve had good success with it already despite having a pretty terrible Hawkeye and only serviceable Vergil.
Some stuff:
*Retarded high damage, like 1.050 off a ground throw (wtf)
*Greyhound is better than Plasma Beam for this combination of characters IMO, fast and keeps the opponent standing
*If you can make them block a pulse, you can make them block Rapid Slash, which means a free push to the corner. If they get hit, speed tackle to confirm.
*Spiral Swords unblockable with Nova assist, easy to set up by forcing the opponent to block Speed Tackle on the ground then DHCing
*Nova infinite is OP on this team, having all that meter to work with makes Vergil and Hawkeye scary
*Matchup-dependent, but running Hawkeye/Nova first gives easy 1 mil confirms off of raw Gimlet -> Speed Tackle (also a chance to use Nova’s pulse assist)
*Vergil in general leads to confusing incoming setups for Nova, either by Round Trip hard tags or Rapid Slash assist
I feel like compared to Doom/Ammy losing to zoning, Vergil/Hawkeye loses to rushdown, but that’s a fair tradeoff.
This is cool, i never messed with Nova/Vergil for long because i didn’t see much use for Rapid Slash in neutral w/Nova, but i might give it a try with this.
If you’re already in the corner does it allow for mixups after? What about near the corner? Dash mixup?
It’s not amazing in neutral but it does help his zoning game to some degree. You just have to make sure they’re in blockstun or can’t punish Vergil that hard. (Or I guess you could bait them into pressing a button to hit him and then speed tackle.)
I’m pretty sure Rapid Slash in the corner, including for incoming, can allow for similar throw OSes to what Doom can do with Rapid Slash, though they’re not as good. I’ll have to mess around with this some more. And yeah it has decent dash mixups as well, if you throw a javelin to hit them just as they come in and call Rapid Slash, they’ll be forced to block and eat the standard air dash H -> jab/air throw mixup. And if you can bait them into pushblocking the assist but not Nova, I believe that’s a true guard break.
One of the best things about the team is that it usually builds enough meter to DHC into swords, and killing just after a Stinger wall-bounce (very viable as that’s when the combo usually hits 900 - 950) puts the opponent midscreen, which leads to some interesting tech. Throwing Round Trip, tagging Nova, backdashing, then calling Rapid Slash leads to the most confusing looking mixup I’ve ever seen, though I’m not sure how effective it is. Try it for yourself.
Also as usual, throwing Round Trip and tagging into Nova alone is a bait/frame trap and almost always grounds the opponent for a high/low with Hawkeye. This team is much more ridiculous than I thought.
side note: Got about 760 assist-less with Nova starting from an instant overhead. Unfly glitch is the best.
When I get back into this game, Im thinking about a Nova team, but Im not sure what to pick.
What do you guys think about Nova with Haggar and vice versa?
Nova/Haggar isn’t bad since Haggar can be rawtagged in similar to Doom/Dante for unscaled after airthrows. Something like Hulk/Nova/Haggar can work, but it wouldn’t be using Nova’s full potential.
It’s fantastic. Look 2 pages back at this thread, and the same time frame in the combo thread. I was posting about exactly this shell incessantly, talking about the best assists in the back (Task being one of the best for sure, though I settled on Hawkeye), and this exact combo, and resetting the bounce for it etc lol. Where were you guys then? 
Note: As scrubby as it may look, I found damage-wise, doing 2 lunar phases right after the swords DHC and nova call does slightly more damage than the helm breakers and L cuts.
^^LMAO yo it’s crazy because I discovered the same thing…I started doing 2 Lunar Phases in the lab too. Only problem is it can be a bit tight depending on the situation…best advice is to buffer the 2nd lunar phase during the first one so it comes out almost instantly. To be honest though…once you’ve done at least like 720k on the first combo before DHCing to Vergil, either way almost the whole cast is dead without ever having to loop (Thor tends to be a bit ambiguous)
Hahahah sorry TGKY, I was pretty staunchly anti-Vergil back then so I probably looked over it. Being able to kill Spencer off a ground through is pretty hype for me, personally. It’s more finding the combos that’ll build enough meter with Nova than doing enough damage.
Haha, it’s all good. In fact it’s sweet to see! Means I was on the right track 
I saw some dude on the northwest whatever-the-event-was 2ndary stream last weekend doing Nova Sent Vergil. And while I don’t think it’s nearly as good of a team theoretically, I personally just love drones for Nova. So Ive been toying w/ that even just for fun.
Drones Nova is the best Nova (strictly IMO) IF AND ONLY IF you look past having to play wackbot, still get Vergil (sadly not for the sword DHC though), and while drones-Vergil isn’t considered very great by most, it stands to reason one of the most powerful points in the game w/ one of the most powerful assists in the game should be, you know, passable lol The main problems w/ that coupling is Vergil’s lack of real hi-lo and the inability to use an assist twice w/in the same block string (combo I get, but block string? Cmonnn Capcom! lol)
Anyway, def not declaring this team the new hotness or anything, not by a long shot (Nova Vergil xxx is ) But for funsies it’s pretty funsies.
YES I agree. For the first time in my life ever, I have been happy to see less damage as long as it meant more meter. My suggestion, don’t be afraid to use air M’s and for max damage AND meter gain off a clean hit:
j.L (as an instant overhead) OR j.H (caught em slippin with a dolphin kick) MHS super jump j.H xx fly ~ j.H xx unfly ~ j.H land S super jump j.H xx fly ~ j.HS land Nova slam ~ S (from here I believe you have the options of: TK Super Nova, L Nova Strike, L pulse, L C.Rush, or S, j.H xx Super Nova)
Another thing to note, which you’ve prob figured out already, if you’re comboing and barely won’t kill w/o dhc, but the swords followup would be serious overkill (happens a lot, hell yeah!), you can instead do rapid slash extentions. You lose out on the full swords dhc (and you can see me blabblering about this before, you guys prob even helped confirm it), but it adds some nice dmg to the standard bnb minus dhc.
Damn its exciting seeing this shell getting the press it deserves.
What do you guys think of Nova/Akuma? I’m not too sure how good this shell is yet and haven’t had time to really put it into practice.
God I wish iron man was playable. I don’t know a thing about em except: unibeam is incredible for nova vergil xxx
I think it’s cool. Throw in a horizontal assist and it will be alright IMO
I know that feeling…I tried Iron Man for a bit but it’s too rough
Word, I was thinking of trying Nova/Taskmaster/Akuma, so it should be a pretty solid team.
YES! Exactly what I was thinking! Taskmaster allows for like the most DHC options and Task Akuma is pretty good.
He is playable, just a shitty anchor and requires more work than just about any character haha
Iron Man is a decent character, but only really on point IMO, he needs a lot of assist help.
I’ve been playing since UMvC3 came out, but I still don’t have a consistent team line up. I constantly try out new characters and teams thinking that I’ll be able to settle on one.
Unfortunately, I’ll probably never learn the best combos with any character, aside from Nova it seems. His style just works for me. So in order to stay competitive, I have to figure out a team that isn’t too difficult execution wise… but Wolverine / Nova / Virgil doesn’t seem to be that great because Nova has no beam assist…
So, I need to figure out a good team. It doesn’t have to be the most top tier team there is, because my best character is actually Deadpool.
Here’s the current team I’m working on and thinking of sticking with:
Nova (pulse) / Deadpool (quick work) / Virgil (rapid slash)
My previous “main team” included Dante instead of Virgil, because he has the best assist in the game… It’s a great team, but my Dante - even after over a year of playing - is still a fraud. He always will be. I accept that, because I’ll never play him to his fullest potential. I play 2 point characters and an assist, and I need to stop that… or at the very least get a solid anchor (hence Virgil).
Who else makes a good team with Nova and Deadpool? I’m open to trying other options and/or teams still.