Poison hitboxes incoming

[UltraDecapre]

@UltraDecapre‌

thanks so much, you have contributed so much to the poison forums.

when i was watching the HK DP, her green boxes (physical hurtboxes?) disappear for the first 18 frames, does that mean it has 18 frames of strike invincibility? i know it is throwable, and you can see those boxes don’t disappear, hopefully you can shed some light on that.

HK DP has projectile vulnerable hurtboxes for the first 11 frames. Yellow filled boxes are throwable. Red lined boxes have strike invincibility. You can see red lined boxes better in HD 720p or see images here. http://decapre.com/post/101052882418

http://38.media.tumblr.com/bf3f661f76fab8e00af697754ffd43e8/tumblr_ne3099QSIw1tw1a1do8_400.png

[UltraDecapre]

I’m curious as hell about her hitboxes, have a couple of questions:
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[] I stuffed a Ryu’s crouching HP with jumping HP in a match. Was that possible or he just missed the timing? How many active frames does jumping HP have with the hitbox down? Sounds like a good move to approach standing opponents.
[] The hitboxes on Kissed by a goddess appear to cover both of her legs but despite the vertical look, I have had the move safejumped and I started to suppose the hitbox only covers the front leg. Is there a good timing to catch crossups that regular DPs can’t?
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Jumping HP has 1/2 active frames with the hitbox down. http://decapre.com/private/101068743368/tumblr_ne3anlsUNJ1tw1a1d

http://33.media.tumblr.com/f80971d0c0acfcc3a68680d6dbeb099d/tumblr_ne3anlsUNJ1tw1a1do9_400.png

Jumping HK has 4/5 active frames with the hitbox down. http://decapre.com/private/101056006123/tumblr_ne31y7U5471tw1a1d

http://38.media.tumblr.com/3d1743eacdfa03428cd563e8e96f0764/tumblr_ne31y7U5471tw1a1do9_400.png

[javert]

Eeh that is jumping HK, I’m curious about jumping HP. I also managed to stuff some Dhalsim AA normal which must have put him on tilt because he proceeded to eat a ton of incoming damage. However, I whiff the move a lot on ground characters.

The fact that jumping HK beats crouch fierce is good news anyway. Must practice the timing.

[UltraDecapre]

Eeh that is jumping HK, I’m curious about jumping HP. I also managed to stuff some Dhalsim AA normal which must have put him on tilt because he proceeded to eat a ton of incoming damage. However, I whiff the move a lot on ground characters.

The fact that jumping HK beats crouch fierce is good news anyway. Must practice the timing.

Updated post with jumping HP.

[tali]

@UltraDecapre‌

thanks so much, you have contributed so much to the poison forums.

when i was watching the HK DP, her green boxes (physical hurtboxes?) disappear for the first 18 frames, does that mean it has 18 frames of strike invincibility? i know it is throwable, and you can see those boxes don’t disappear, hopefully you can shed some light on that.

HK DP has projectile vulnerable hurtboxes for the first 11 frames. Yellow filled boxes are throwable. Red lined boxes have strike invincibility. You can see red lined boxes better in HD 720p or see images here. http://decapre.com/post/101052882418

http://38.media.tumblr.com/bf3f661f76fab8e00af697754ffd43e8/tumblr_ne3099QSIw1tw1a1do8_400.png

oh okay, so for the first 11 frames of HK DP she is strike invincibile, but projectiles and obviously throws will still beat her. I did find it interesting that ive used that move point blank against opponents and seen their cr.jab’s go right through my start up and then my DP catches them in their recovery wondering if it was just her hurtbox gets oddly low or something. Strike invincibility has never been mentioned with the move before so thats good news.

[tali]

@ultradecapre one more thing if you don’t mind. So from what i understand, poison’s CR.HP has 21 frames of hitstun, and EX Love Me Tender starts up in 22 frames, so it doesn’t combo, but if your CR.HP is a counter hit, it adds 2 or 3(?) additional frames of hitstun, allowing CR.HP xx EX LMT to combo on a standing opponent because the first frame of EX LMT is able to hit the standing hurtbox quite easily. But if you do this on a crouching opponent, the EX LMT is blocked, which im pretty sure is because the EX LMT is landing on a later active frame because of the crouching hurtbox being much shorter. Would it be possible if you could do counter hit CR.HP xx EX LMT on a crouching ryu and see which frame the LMT is hitting ryu on.

and one more thing please

could you do poison ST.MK xx LK LMT (both hits blocked) on a crouching ryu to see which active frame of the LK LMT hits ryu. Im pretty sure at or around max range crouch blocked ST.MK XX LK LMT lands on a later frame then the first active frame, giving poison 0 or + frame advantage.

thanks so much for all your work.

[UltraDecapre]

@ultradecapre one more thing if you don’t mind. So from what i understand, poison’s CR.HP has 21 frames of hitstun, and EX Love Me Tender starts up in 22 frames, so it doesn’t combo, but if your CR.HP is a counter hit, it adds 2 or 3(?) additional frames of hitstun, allowing CR.HP xx EX LMT to combo on a standing opponent because the first frame of EX LMT is able to hit the standing hurtbox quite easily. But if you do this on a crouching opponent, the EX LMT is blocked, which im pretty sure is because the EX LMT is landing on a later active frame because of the crouching hurtbox being much shorter. Would it be possible if you could do counter hit CR.HP xx EX LMT on a crouching ryu and see which frame the LMT is hitting ryu on.

and one more thing please

could you do poison ST.MK xx LK LMT (both hits blocked) on a crouching ryu to see which active frame of the LK LMT hits ryu. Im pretty sure at or around max range crouch blocked ST.MK XX LK LMT lands on a later frame then the first active frame, giving poison 0 or + frame advantage.

thanks so much for all your work.

View Poison LMT combo hitboxes frame by frame. http://decapre.com/watch?v=Oe_NUrAW8CQ

http://33.media.tumblr.com/24885a5d07b631897e864de0a246b9be/tumblr_ndqf05PcR81tw1a1do7_r1_250.png

[tali]

Thanks so much, being able to see everything i felt out in game with the actual hitboxes and hurtboxes is very redeeming.

[tali]

@ultradecapre is it possible for you to record poison’s lvl 1 and lvl 2 focus attacks on block and see the frame advantages if she cancels into a forward dash or back dash.

from what i could make out she seems to be -1 on a lvl 1 forward dash and atleast +3 on the lvl 2 forward dash. Back dash numbers are a bit harder to test on console.

I can’t thank you enough

[UltraDecapre]

@ultradecapre is it possible for you to record poison’s lvl 1 and lvl 2 focus attacks on block and see the frame advantages if she cancels into a forward dash or back dash.

from what i could make out she seems to be -1 on a lvl 1 forward dash and atleast +3 on the lvl 2 forward dash. Back dash numbers are a bit harder to test on console.

I can’t thank you enough

View Poison focus attack hitboxes frame by frame. http://decapre.com/watch?v=1v79mrKeIZc

http://33.media.tumblr.com/e15ddac1e71143d309708ac83ee66065/tumblr_ndqf05PcR81tw1a1do8_r1_250.png

[tali]

@UltraDecapre‌ if you don’t mind, a hit box comparison on poisons rekkas would be nice. They are apparently bigger then pre patch 1.04. Thanks

[UltraDecapre]

View Poison normal hitboxes frame by frame. http://decapre.com/watch?v=zhMUF87WBR4

http://33.media.tumblr.com/3fc970147edeeb2f53650eaafe7d1a85/tumblr_ngns1yqeC71tw1a1do3_r1_250.png

View Poison special hitboxes frame by frame. http://decapre.com/watch?v=0nBjxe6g0aQ

http://33.media.tumblr.com/b7ba8b090066f5d470fa8a37188eec0c/tumblr_ngns1yqeC71tw1a1do4_r1_250.png

[UltraDecapre]

Poison Whip of Love version 1.03 and 1.04. http://decapre.com/post/105586792428/poison-whip-of-love-version-1-03-and-1-04

Poison EX Kissed by a Goddess version 1.03 and 1.04. http://decapre.com/post/105587877503

[tali]

@UltraDecapre Hey i was wondering if you could test a couple things for me.

1st thing, in v1.03, if poison did

Rekkas, immediate back dash, immediate J.HK

against cammy, if cammy tried to DP on wake up, she would whiff and fly away

in V1.04 that doesn’t happen anymore and cammy always stuffs poisons jump in with her dp now, it is also not specific to ultra, as any version of cammy will do that.

And doing this 4 frame safe jump set up with poison, against poison will have poison get up really quick and not allow it to work.

rekkas, immediate forward dash, N.J.HK

if you record this against someone with a 4F reversal (say guile, or kens mp/ex dp, or yun ex dp, to make sure you got it working) then play that recording against poison’s mk dp (4f), she gets up way sooner and is able to counter hit the jump in with her dp. She didn’t get up that quick before in v1.03

thanks so much if you are able to, and happy holidays