Plinking / Tsuji-Style: KARA BUFFER Inputs for Easier Links and More!

KIRBYSIM · August 16, 2009, 11:58pm

Yep.

C.strong (wait half a second) p-link into c.strong (immediately) cancel into Hadouken.

On another note, has anyone been able to do Ryu’s forward+MP -> shoryuken? I gave it a go earlier, but it doesn’t seem to connect.

Warahk · August 17, 2009, 5:03pm

I promise it links~

any strength srk can be used, including ex

Twist · August 17, 2009, 7:04pm

f.MP, shoryu only works on standing opponents or if they’re crouching then the first hit has to whiff and the second hit has to be a counterhit.

Warahk · August 18, 2009, 7:58am

Sorry, i should’ve mentioned the standing part

System_1 · August 20, 2009, 9:46am

Tried this a while ago, but I don’t like the extra button press, I would rather get very skilled doing links the regular way. But if not this is a great find.

Though that instant demon trick should’ve been kept a secret, Akuma is deadly enough as it is you know :devil:

blk_brotha · August 21, 2009, 1:49pm

it’s like super dbl. tapping, for example, if i wanted to p-link cammy’s s.LK or LP into s.HPXX spiral arrow or Cannon spike i have to do…

s.LK, (HP+MK) HP~MK to p-link that 1 frame? i still link the 1 framers the harder way.

System_1 · August 22, 2009, 10:39am

tried this on pc version, c.lp -> c.lp -> c.mk~c.lk with akuma, still got a c.lk in the end, tried it for 1 h or so.
they fixed it? =P

ditn · August 25, 2009, 5:44pm

u pressed it to early and it chained,
do a small pause and then hit it

System_1 · August 25, 2009, 7:11pm

quite interesting, I will try when I get home tonight. I’ve been practicing execution in training mode and I have been having problems linking (I am able to perform combos in online matches about 50% of the time)~I get punished for missed links… Thanks for the info

System_1 · August 28, 2009, 2:35pm

2 questions:

how would you link akuma’s: s.roundhouse -> s.jab -> s.roundhouse?
how would you plink a jab/short?

ilitirit · August 28, 2009, 2:54pm

you can’t plink a jab because it has the lowest priority
you can plink a short with lk~lp

System_1 · August 28, 2009, 9:05pm

wouldnt plinking a short with lk~lp input a throw?
also would i just double click lp instead of plinking in order to link akuma’s s.roundhouse -> s.jab -> s.roundhouse?

highlulu · August 28, 2009, 11:58pm

plinking lk~lp while crouching will give you the short and not the throw cause you can’t throw while crouching.

Lord_Gemma · August 29, 2009, 3:43am

KIRBYSIM:

I’m an Akuma player, and over the past few days I’ve been testing out this alternative way of hitting my links.

For instance, for the following BnB combo:
Jump-in, cr.LK, cr.LP, cr.LP, cr.MK xx EX Gohadouken
Note: the link from cr.LP to cr.MK is a one-frame link.

Instead of double-tapping the MK in the above example, what you can do is:
Jump-in, cr.LK, cr.LP, cr.LP, cr.MK+LK (MK~LK input) xx EX Gohadouken

By MK~LK input I mean, you almost-simultaneously press LK and MK buttons with your index and middle fingers, but hit the MK button with your middle finger slightly earlier (1 frame) before the LK button.

If done right, in the training mode with input display on, you should see this:

(second frame) down+LK+MK
(first frame) down+MK
Note: if you didn’t do it right, the second frame input would have been down+LK only.

I’ve found this method to work more than 90% of the time for me - whereas double-tapping (perhaps due to my poor technique) works maybe half the time.

The same thing can be done for MP, HP, HK links:

MP links = MP~LP (or LK, but obviously LP is easier to hit)
HP links = HP~MP (or MP or LK or LP, but obviously MP is easier to hit)
HK links = HK~MK (see above)
(Remember: you have to press both buttons almost simultaneously, but with the stronger-strength button a split-second earlier than the weaker-strength one)

It also works for cr.LK, BUT ONLY IF your character’s cr.LK is not chain-cancellable.

cr.LK links = (while crouching) LK~LP

This method will not work with cr.LP, due to the fact that down+cr.LP+cr.LK is always interpreted as cr.LK. It will also not work with standing LP or LK because then it becomes a kara throw.

In summary, for p-linking to work, you have to understand two things:

(1) When you do a slide input (press the second button one frame after the first button) like AA~BB, the first input (AA) will be repeated in the second frame (AA+BB).

(2) Whenever the game detects an AA+BB simultaneous input, it will always give you the strongest attack button in the following order:

LP (weakest), LK, MP, MK, HP, HK (strongest).

Therefore HK+HP is executed as HK.

If you were to enter HK~HP, the game would read it as HK (one frame later) HP+HK, and execute it as HK (one frame later) HK.

However, if you were to enter HP~HK, the game would read it as HP (one frame later) HP+HK, and execute it as HP (one frame later) HK.

This is important to note if you want to p-link specials, like Ryu’s forward+MP -> Shoryuken.
You can’t p-link SRK with two punch buttons because you’d get the EX. So you’d have to p-link it with either MP~LK, or HP~MK.
(Disclaimer: not sure if you can p-link specials. At the very least, I couldn’t pull off Ryu’s forward+MP -> SRK)

Disclaimer: this linking method will not automatically make you a link combo god - you still have to get the timing right and everything. Like double-tapping, this essentially turns a one-frame link into a two-frame link by giving you two chances to nail the input window.

If you haven’t figured it out yet, here’s why it works:

A couple of days ago I was practising my Kara throws in training mode with Akuma (HP~LP+LK) when I noticed something - the game recognises my kara throw input as:

(second frame) LP+LK+HP
(first frame) HP
Note: The first input repeats itself when you do HP~LP+LK

And as we all know, whenever two or more attack buttons of different strengths are pressed, the game will give you the strongest strength attack i.e. if you press LP+MP+HP, you’ll see that the game executes that as a s.HP.

In other words, if you were crouching, essentially the above input could be interpreted by the game as:

(2nd frame) down+HP+LP+LK (you’re stuck in animation, but if you were not, this would have been executed as cr.HP)
(1st frame) down+HP (executed as a cr.HP)

So what happens when you’re in the recovery frames of some other move, like, say, Akuma’s cr.LP? You now have two chances to nail the one-frame window required for cr.LP to cr.HP link, depending on if you hit the down+HP squarely on the window, or one frame before that. One-frame links become two-frames. Two-frame links become three, etc, etc.

This is effectively a double-tap HP. Only thing is, you don’t have to cram both of your fingers on a single button, which surely takes some level of finesse to pull off, especially under pressure. It should make link combos, in general, a lot easier. Personally I can hit cr.LP to cr.MK about 90% of the time.

Some other examples you can try:
Ryu’s cr.MP, cr.MP, cr.HK
Sagat’s cr.LK x3 xx Tiger Knee

But of course, if you’re very good at double-tapping then you may find double-tapping to be better/easier.

EDIT: rewrote a few things. Special thanks to everyone who’s helped clarify things.

please excuse my noobness, i find your post very interesting put cant actually get my head around it. I main Akuma and Ryu and have just gotten my te stick, add me so we can build because i rekon we could both gain productivity from it.

System_1 · August 30, 2009, 6:54pm

are you sure the “double” you are getting isnt simply from the “negative input” on the button release?

it seems to me that by presssing MK first then LK second, what you are actually doing is holding MK longer than you might otherwise, and then when you release MK ot opens a second opportunity to get the attack off

if not, i dont see the purpose for pressing LK at all

Twist · August 30, 2009, 6:57pm

Negative edge doesn’t apply to normal attacks. Otherwise every time you did a jab you’d get 2.

System_1 · August 30, 2009, 7:02pm

but i was thinking it was negative edge enabled because of the pressing the other button, so you actually holding the first button, attacking with another, then releasing the first button, giving negative edge

ZanaOyakata · September 7, 2009, 9:35am

I was thinking of putting of a thread for link timings for all the characters but i decided to post here.

I think it would be helpful if someone posted a video that you can hear the rhythm of the button presses. This can help a lot of players including me, to execute links better.

I will post some to when I get them down.

Mechanica · September 8, 2009, 5:57am

it just sounds like one button press. they’re almost pressed at the same time. input display is really all you can do to help.

ZanaOyakata · September 9, 2009, 10:32am

I am talking about not using the technique and use just the timing and rhythm of the links. I am trying not to mash or use tricks.