It’s not that easy. There’s more to it than that. I refuse to believe that most people would understand because a lot of people are only thinking about their benefit.
If our existing sticks worked on PS4, we could continue to sell the sticks we still have (which we have plenty of). Instead of trying to invest/make and TAKE A RISK on creating a new stick that only works on one console. But yeah. If you think we’re only out to make money (which is logical if you don’t think about everything), then that has to be the conclusion you come to.
Just my opinion but it seems pretty obvious that you will be able to use a PS3 stick with the PS4. Reason being is MarkMan would have Beeeennnnn put out something about a PS4 stick. We can not expect any devs to say dont worry your sticks will work. Now the question is will the PS360 pcb work. I sure in the hell hope so, but if not I have plenty of fighters to play for the time being. We have to realize that these devs may have a gag order restricting them to say anything. Again this is just my opinion. Anyway we only have a couple of days until the console comes out to know for sure.
I guess I very incorrectly assumed you guys slashed stick production when next-gen was announced.
However I think you’re incorrect in thinking that making a Ps4 stick is a risk. I guess pad-hacks threaten your market, but there’s no wired DS4’s right? Also your argument is you have Ps3 sticks in stock which you want to sell which means you do just want to make money, and selling Ps3 sticks that you have nets you more profit than making a Ps4 stick so it IS true that you guys just want to make money
Now I’m curious how many current gen sticks madcatz is sitting on, I may be cynical and 100% stream monster but I very much want madcatz to be successful and continue to make grade A sticks forever. I’m interested in how many sticks are in warehouses unable to be loved by the FGC…
I guess it would be a huge bonus for your VS re-release for the holidays (you did mention that in another thread right markman? I’m not going insane) if you could slap on the box PS4/PS3.
This is starting to sound dicey, I wish more game devs were talking with you guys about titles that will have Ps3 support, and for that matter I wish microsoft worked something out with you guys to make your life easier. Now I’m all worried and stressed, I better take a break and play some dark souls to settle myself down.
The system doesn’t get released until Friday the 15th and what fighting games are being released on PS4 THIS year???
I stopped coming to the boards as much because A) people are freaking out too much about this stuff; in most cases, we just simply don’t know – ie, enjoy the ride and find out what’s going on with the rest of us but otherwise don’t waste so much time thinking about it! B) People really aren’t using any common sense or know nothing about how peripheral support has worked out in the past on most systems; and C) the whole common sense part is just completely lacking on the Tech Board lately when it comes to discussing next gen. Pissing contests and speculations are best left on the Fighting Game boards in my opinion.
I skip the mainstream media coverage on technology for good reasons… Reporting’s bad on it in general and common sense gets thrown out the window every time something new and shiny comes along. People don’t even think about how this gear can really get used! I don’t like to come here and see a lot of the same issues brought up again and again. I thought more people here understood the tech and the bare basics of how these things work but obviously that isn’t the case since so many of the same old questions and threads get revived and people STILL aren’t reading the STICKIES and FAQs that cover this stuff already! You newbies have a LOT more to work with that’s offered free to you than I did when I stumbled across the boards almost four years ago now. It’s night and day difference between early 2009 and late 2013. There’s no excuse for people being ignorant about basic compatibility issues or starting new threads about “what’s the best joystick to buy”?
Neither Sony, MS, or Nintendo really want backwards compatibility on their systems. They have so much money tied up in the next gen’s that they want to maximize the money they’re going to get from us for those new systems ASAP. MS and Sony are already selling systems at a loss so why make the PS4 and XBone backwards compatible with existing controller hardware?
All this talk about PS3 hardware working on the PS4’s or vice-versa… well, so far A) it’s only the DS4 controllers with USB cables working on PS3’s which defeats the whole wireless point of the pads and B) it’s only the development kits for the PS4 where the PS3 joysticks are compatible. With no immediate PS4 fighters planned and no PS4 joysticks in-stores, it makes sense that the development kits work with the available hardware, right? That doesn’t translate into the final PS4 games working with PS3 joysticks, however!
Just don’t expect this to be the case with the production/store-bought PS4. As more Sony fans are finding out as details of the final PS4 configuration get leaked out, Sony learned plenty of lessons from MS’s experience with the 360 so expect the hardware lockout/security chips for the PS4 peripherals. Sony has no reason to be generous to the consumer – any more than MS has been – and allow past-gen devices to work on the new systems. That’s not the way it works with game consoles. You’re free to sell all your old games, old controllers, and systems; just don’t come crying back here when you find out you actually miss something you got rid of for a song and change!
You have 2 years left on the PS3 and XBox 360 before the systems are “officially dead.” That won’t happen overnight, and certainly not because of Killer Instinct or anything else getting released later this year. The transition will happen just like it did last gen because of system acceptance issues and the availability of quality software that makes people want to jump ship… The software for this past gen – fighting game-wise, and in bulk by the genre – arguably wasn’t available until after '09 when SFIV shipped. I certainly don’t recall any other piece of software on the 360/PS3 generating as much buzz for fighting games and selling as many joysticks as that did, and that was Year 3 for the PS3 and Year 4 for the XBox 360!
PS4 has 2 fighting games coming out this yeart - Injustice Ultimate Ed and DiveKick. Only one of them needs an arcade stick and most likely it’ll come with support for the one with the same branding (in other words the PDP/Qanba Injustice stick).
Sigh, if only people actually learned to read before posting. All that work putting that Info Thread seems to have gone to waste.
As Sony has already stated, whether or not older hardware will work on the PS4 is in the hands of the developers. In other words, if the developers want it to work, then they can do so. Precedent for this has already been set on the PS3 where GT5 came with drivers for specific steering wheels As stated above, Injustice Ultimate Edition will most likely support the PDP/Qanba Battle Edition stick (or add it later on in a patch). Also, if the rumours are true and USFIV for the PS4 is being announced tomorrow, they’ll most likely add in support for certain current gen sticks.
EDIT: I never realized @Mike_Z made some really insightful posts on my front page article on this.
Oh boo hoo! My SNES controllers don’t work on my PS4 let me go cry a river!!!
The entitlement mentality of the FGC baffles the shit out of me.
You bought an accessory for 360 or PS3. It is guaranteed to work on the PS3 and 360, and it does. Expecting it to magically work on some new hardware is retarded. Would it be cool? Sure. But it’s nothing to whine about when it doesn’t.
That’s not even it. From a business perspective I understand the reasoning behind it. Sorry I wasn’t trying to whine, just simply sharing my reasoning for not going with the upgrade. In any event it’ll probably work for the PS4 due to how Sony has given authority to the developers and how they haven’t closed off the third parties.
Which should be the Anthem of Tech Talk
Our motto is “Because” our national tool is the dremel, our national animal is the doge and the national food is sriracha
There are 3 kinds of folks in the FGC
The kind you brought up, the “Waaaaa my old shit do not work with the new tech”
The folks who chill, relax and just wait it out and get a PS4 controller
The people like me that see such obstacles as a challenge instead of a barrier
Even with a universal connector and data protocols, there are still drivers and security lockouts in place. USB is just a 4 pin connector and some minor transmission protocols, it does not mean the system the controller plugged into would work.
Its why PS3 Round 1 TEs don’t work on some PCs, the PS3 and Xbox 360 controllers are not cross compatible (unless its dual modded), Its why we even have dual-mods in the first place.
We all went though the same Drama with the PS3 and Xbox 360 that we are going now with the PS4 and Xbone.
Everyone too spoiled with how things were with the PS2.
I love how everyone and their mother is IGNORING THE GODDAMN ORIGINAL POST! The one where SONY SAYS THAT DEVELOPERS CAN ALLOW PS3 STICKS TO WORK!
In other words THE GAME HAS TO ALLOW THEM (the same way GT5 on the PS3 allows certain wheels that the PS3 doesn’t natively support to work, i.e. the drivers are on the game).
In other words, THEY WILL NOT WORK OUTSIDE THOSE GAMES. Not on the new dashboard, not with any other apps that may be running.
Also, on a related note, let’s not forget that AT LEAST ONE FIGHTING GAME DEVELOPER HAS STATED THAT THEY WOULD DO THIS (enable PS3 sticks) AND THAT DOING SO MAKES SENSE FOR OTHER DEVS AS WELL. Not to mention our friendly neighborhood MadCatz exec saying that THEY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AS WELL.
Fucking pissing me off.
Thread gets locked if any more ignorance gets posted.
As D3v stated its up to each developer how controllers will work.
Either way I see it as a non-issue. Its good Sony giving this right to the developers.
But if a Developer decides not to support something, it isn’t the end of the world.
I see it as my sticks will work as is, or I have to do some modding. Non-issue to me, I like tinkering with stuff.
I been tinkering with stuff since infancy. No really ask my parents, they tell you how somehow I got a butter knife or a screw driver from a place they though it was secure and here I am dismantling the electrical socket before I knew how to talk.
Isn’t Forza a XBox exclusive? This is a Sony thread.
What confuses me most is racing gamers getting mad about steering wheel incompatibilities, that’s been something EVERY console generation, if you’re not on PC then what do you expect?
Also, racing fans get shit on even more than fighting game fans (excluding capcom dumps since they love shitting on their fans)
