Big characters need tools to make the opponent respect them at all times, whether it be armor or something else. Keep the opponent scared and from pressing buttons. You know, like Greenhand.
Hsien-Ko has lowish health because she is a glass cannon in Sav. Isn’t that way here, obviously. Who knows about Vanilla Wesker.
That’s the thing though, I play Hsien-Ko also. GIVE ME A BREAK. T~T
(main team is Tron/Viper/Morrigan so I’ve never had an easy ride)
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we need a petition to change j.H back to the way it is. thats all i ask for. fuck the assist, at least give me vanilla tron (point) back.
No one wants or will make any changes for any of the bullshit you guy’s keep asking for.
The j.H was removed intentionally.
No assist is invulnerable.
Stop asking and for fuck sake stop reviving old troll thread.
After seeing JWong destroy Marn’s She Hulk and Phoenix with just Tron (don’t remember exactly which day that it happened) I kinda agree with nerfing Tron.
I haven’t seen this, but really She Hulk getting blown up in this game impresses you? You realize she got hit with nerfs just as hard if not more than Tron right? If you’re referring to Vanilla then I don’t understand the point at all of this. There’s a difference between balancing a character and destroying her.
The Hsein-Ko players in this topic crack me up too, she’s a way better character than A. people give her credit for B. than Tron. Does that mean she’s from stealth S tier? No, but she’s definitely got more than Tron.
You’re asking me if a defeated She Hulk impresses me? Well when your opponent is playing with a half health Tron and he/she defeats a full health She Hulk, then to answer your question yes it does. Of course I’m talking about Vanilla. When a character is seen as too good, they ultimately get nerfed. Isn’t that how it works?
Reason and logic have no place here so do not even bother.
Your in the land of nerf him not me here friend.
A half health Tron is still a 600K character and being used by Justin Wong considering the way he’s come back with 1/4th or lower health Akuma this is a terrible judge of nerfing a character. I guess Iron Fist users better watch out when Mega Man Edition comes out.
Yeah it’s perfectly reasonable to nerf a character all the way down to bottom 3-5 simply because Justin Wong beat Marn once. No one is asking for someone else to take the nerf bat to the face for her just that she was unfairly nerfed. So because a bunch of people are too dumb to block or air throw a j.H spammer Tron’s point game gets destroyed? Sounds logical. Most of the devestating Tron combos in Vanilla were because of how well she can do consecutive hypers which isn’t as big a deal with the meter gain nerf. They took away her tools and completely overlooked how much system changes effected her why? Because Capcom are stupid.
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Well since this thread got necro’d, I figured I may as well post my wishlist:
>Fix the float of ground drill
>Make crossover Boulder and Drill normally special cancelable (y’know, like on point?!)
>Make HSD off jS and throws not so terrible
>Maybe a small increase in Servbot Launcher’s active frames
That’s all I want. Something that hopefully helps her…
I want armor on the first like 3-4 hits of H Drill, am I asking for too much? It’s a fucking drill >_>
What an informative and well thought out response
Capcom FG equation - Broken characters (Vanilla Sagat, AE Twins, Phoenix) and characters that win and/or place high in tourneys (Fei Long, Seth, Cody, Wolverine) = nerf bat.
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first off, clown, complaining is exactly why sent was nerfed in vanilla…so it works. it doesn’t hurt to at least try.
second off, who the hell are you to tell me what I can or cannot do? this thread has a legitimate discussion going on in it and is not a troll thread. if you don’t like it then take your remedial ass and go thataway. nobody is forcing you to read a bunch of unhappy tron players’ thoughts.
common sense should have kicked in for you at some point before clicking on the thread that you weren’t going to agree with us from the title of the thread and the character this part of the forum is for.
Ohhhh.
I see i have a live fish here and that’s going to make this a million times more interesting.
So please do explain why exactly she “need’s” a j.H that hit’s with a million active frames super small startup frames and hits both sides?
Please back that argument up because by that logic then why not give sent back his old Hp i mean he “need’s” it right?
This is in no way anything other then a troll thread and your really reaching if you thing a cry me a river thread is anything but.
Wesker wins Evo, gets buffed
Seth is one of the best in 2012
Fei Long is still considered good in 2012
Wolverine is still a top 15 character in Ultimate
Anyone who says it made sense to nerf Tron the way they did hasn’t seen how fucking broken Zero became after already being one of the best
I mean…if we’re being serious, yes. I personally think Sent needs his health. I hate Sent, but I almost feel bad at how much of a mixup target he is.
But this isn’t the Sentinel thread and I’m not a Sentinel fan, so I guess that’s another debate lol. I think everybody here is saying that we Tron players were kind of left in the dust without so much as a push in the right direction. I personally believe that we still need to practice a lot more and find the right way to use her ourselves, but I guess not everybody feels that way 
Give it a few more months guys. I know it feels like we’ve discovered all we can, but there has to be more. J.Wong wins tournaments with IF and I just know that if one of us worked hard enough we could win a tourney with Tron (maybe second place :P). Nonetheless, you’ve got to be a little more understanding…from what I’ve read here, you’re pretty much taunting hostile Tron fans. Even if that’s not your intention, that’s kind of what it looks like.
Well since your responding in a reasonable manner i’ll do the same.
First i’m a Thor player so the Tron tears fall on deaf ear’s because at least you were viable at one time without perfecting that japanese defense and never missing a single mixup/command throw or dropping a single combo.
What everyone(nearly) here is requesting is beyond stupid it was breaking and that’s why she was so used,her old jump spam was one of the easiest way’s to happy birthday someone and once you had them her combo’s went on and on for days from a single lucky button press not smart pressure not out playing and surely not actually being better.
That’s why she was worse then Psylocke because she was a gdlk assist and a viable point.
All she had taken away was her stupider shit and now she’s suddenly garbage tier?
No i don’t think so bro all you have here are a bunch of bad players abusing stupid shit that once said stupid shit is removed suddenly realize they are still bad players but with less abusable garbage.
It’s fully my intent in throwing their stupid arguments in their whining face’s their requests are stupid and all they want is the change’s undone.
There has been no discussions of ways to deal with the change or what additional changes to what she currently has could be used to make her competitive.
Most games of this nature take years to fully develop and the playstyle’s change drastically during said time frame.
You grind,level up and play your toon.
An occasional bitch is understandable but to listen to these crybaby bitch’s they are close to torch’s and pitchforks over a few nerfs.
The intent is to play a char because the style fit’s you and you can work with what you have,not pick the most broken rinse/repeat.
Why do you think someone like Flocker came out of pretty much no where with a totally separate style at the time and blew everyone up?
He learned his toon,his team,what he could and could not do,and the matchup’s and he broke “Top Players” left right and center.
Granted his team was very strong but more so he developed a style that no one had really seen prior and crushed everyone with it.
No worries someone will find a really good way to use tron but jump spam 23104972340982134 times when more then half the people here use less then 1/4 of her tools and won was fucking stupid and got what it deserved.
