Petition to buff tron

Dazed · 2011-11-29T10:55:13.000Z

I think I may have an idea of why Tron’s combo potential was nerfed that just came to me. Don’t laugh at me too hard if you find it stupid.

Ok, you know how Tron’s staple combo hypers are mashable now? They always do massive damage as a result. Near 200k even at maximum damage scaling (my new bNb off a jH does about 580k meterless, 970k with the two bars it earns). Maybe Capcom felt that Tron’s TOD potential would have been too high if she was left as is, in additional to the mashing hypers.

Again, that’s just a possibility I thought up. I feel that her nerfs were overdone regardless, but… I think maybe she’ll still be ok…

Noble_Cactus · 2011-11-29T11:20:17.000Z

Yea, that’s true. I don’t like it though; High health characters should have something that keeps them from being past over. Capcom got Hulk and Thor right, but they seemed to have screwed up with Haggar and Shehulk. Not to mention characters that have low/high life for no reason (Hsien-Ko, Wesker).

The game is starting to look a little like MVC2, with characters that don’t serve any significant purpose due to the fact that other characters can do what they do and then some.

Big characters need tools to make the opponent respect them at all times, whether it be armor or something else. Keep the opponent scared and from pressing buttons. You know, like Greenhand.

Hsien-Ko has lowish health because she is a glass cannon in Sav. Isn’t that way here, obviously. Who knows about Vanilla Wesker.

Furious_Liver · 2011-11-29T11:47:28.000Z

Well played. The evil/ego side in me can’t help it.

And then I remember she’s still probably worse than Tron by a small margin bar the assist. Maybe.

You do get kinda jaded after a while though.

That’s the thing though, I play Hsien-Ko also. GIVE ME A BREAK. T~T
(main team is Tron/Viper/Morrigan so I’ve never had an easy ride)

debs · 2012-01-03T20:32:59.000Z

we need a petition to change j.H back to the way it is. thats all i ask for. fuck the assist, at least give me vanilla tron (point) back.

toddler316 · 2012-01-03T20:56:22.000Z

No one wants or will make any changes for any of the bullshit you guy’s keep asking for.
The j.H was removed intentionally.
No assist is invulnerable.
Stop asking and for fuck sake stop reviving old troll thread.

xEGAxBeastkingx · 2012-01-03T21:01:59.000Z

After seeing JWong destroy Marn’s She Hulk and Phoenix with just Tron (don’t remember exactly which day that it happened) I kinda agree with nerfing Tron.

hybreezy · 2012-01-03T21:05:28.000Z

After seeing JWong destroy Marn’s She Hulk and Phoenix with just Tron (don’t remember exactly which day that it happened) I kinda agree with nerfing Tron.

I haven’t seen this, but really She Hulk getting blown up in this game impresses you? You realize she got hit with nerfs just as hard if not more than Tron right? If you’re referring to Vanilla then I don’t understand the point at all of this. There’s a difference between balancing a character and destroying her.

The Hsein-Ko players in this topic crack me up too, she’s a way better character than A. people give her credit for B. than Tron. Does that mean she’s from stealth S tier? No, but she’s definitely got more than Tron.

xEGAxBeastkingx · 2012-01-03T21:11:49.000Z

I haven’t seen this, but really She Hulk getting blown up in this game impresses you? You realize she got hit with nerfs just as hard if not more than Tron right? If you’re referring to Vanilla then I don’t understand the point at all of this. There’s a difference between balancing a character and destroying her.

The Hsein-Ko players in this topic crack me up too, she’s a way better character than A. people give her credit for B. than Tron. Does that mean she’s from stealth S tier? No, but she’s definitely got more than Tron.

You’re asking me if a defeated She Hulk impresses me? Well when your opponent is playing with a half health Tron and he/she defeats a full health She Hulk, then to answer your question yes it does. Of course I’m talking about Vanilla. When a character is seen as too good, they ultimately get nerfed. Isn’t that how it works?

toddler316 · 2012-01-03T21:18:15.000Z

You’re asking me if a defeated She Hulk impresses me? Well when your opponent is playing with a half health Tron and he/she defeats a full health She Hulk, then to answer your question yes it does. Of course I’m talking about Vanilla. When a character is seen as too good, they ultimately get nerfed. Isn’t that how it works?

Reason and logic have no place here so do not even bother.
Your in the land of nerf him not me here friend.

hybreezy · 2012-01-03T21:19:35.000Z

You’re asking me if a defeated She Hulk impresses me? Well when your opponent is playing with a half health Tron and he/she defeats a full health She Hulk, then to answer your question yes it does. Of course I’m talking about Vanilla. When a character is seen as too good, they ultimately get nerfed. Isn’t that how it works?

A half health Tron is still a 600K character and being used by Justin Wong considering the way he’s come back with 1/4th or lower health Akuma this is a terrible judge of nerfing a character. I guess Iron Fist users better watch out when Mega Man Edition comes out.

hybreezy · 2012-01-03T21:23:36.000Z

Reason and logic have no place here so do not even bother.
Your in the land of nerf him not me here friend.

Yeah it’s perfectly reasonable to nerf a character all the way down to bottom 3-5 simply because Justin Wong beat Marn once. No one is asking for someone else to take the nerf bat to the face for her just that she was unfairly nerfed. So because a bunch of people are too dumb to block or air throw a j.H spammer Tron’s point game gets destroyed? Sounds logical. Most of the devestating Tron combos in Vanilla were because of how well she can do consecutive hypers which isn’t as big a deal with the meter gain nerf. They took away her tools and completely overlooked how much system changes effected her why? Because Capcom are stupid.

Dazed · 2012-01-03T21:30:43.000Z

Well since this thread got necro’d, I figured I may as well post my wishlist:

>Fix the float of ground drill
>Make crossover Boulder and Drill normally special cancelable (y’know, like on point?!)
>Make HSD off jS and throws not so terrible
>Maybe a small increase in Servbot Launcher’s active frames

That’s all I want. Something that hopefully helps her…

hybreezy · 2012-01-03T21:32:16.000Z

I want armor on the first like 3-4 hits of H Drill, am I asking for too much? It’s a fucking drill >_>

toddler316 · 2012-01-03T21:39:54.000Z

Yeah it’s perfectly reasonable to nerf a character all the way down to bottom 3-5 simply because Justin Wong beat Marn once. No one is asking for someone else to take the nerf bat to the face for her just that she was unfairly nerfed. So because a bunch of people are too dumb to block or air throw a j.H spammer Tron’s point game gets destroyed? Sounds logical. Most of the devestating Tron combos in Vanilla were because of how well she can do consecutive hypers which isn’t as big a deal with the meter gain nerf. They took away her tools and completely overlooked how much system changes effected her why? Because Capcom are stupid.

The irony…

hybreezy · 2012-01-03T21:50:56.000Z

What an informative and well thought out response

xEGAxBeastkingx · 2012-01-03T22:37:43.000Z

Capcom FG equation - Broken characters (Vanilla Sagat, AE Twins, Phoenix) and characters that win and/or place high in tourneys (Fei Long, Seth, Cody, Wolverine) = nerf bat.

debs · 2012-01-04T00:14:41.000Z

No one wants or will make any changes for any of the bullshit you guy’s keep asking for.
The j.H was removed intentionally.
No assist is invulnerable.
Stop asking and for fuck sake stop reviving old troll thread.

first off, clown, complaining is exactly why sent was nerfed in vanilla…so it works. it doesn’t hurt to at least try.

second off, who the hell are you to tell me what I can or cannot do? this thread has a legitimate discussion going on in it and is not a troll thread. if you don’t like it then take your remedial ass and go thataway. nobody is forcing you to read a bunch of unhappy tron players’ thoughts.

common sense should have kicked in for you at some point before clicking on the thread that you weren’t going to agree with us from the title of the thread and the character this part of the forum is for.

toddler316 · 2012-01-04T02:16:23.000Z

Ohhhh.
I see i have a live fish here and that’s going to make this a million times more interesting.
So please do explain why exactly she “need’s” a j.H that hit’s with a million active frames super small startup frames and hits both sides?
Please back that argument up because by that logic then why not give sent back his old Hp i mean he “need’s” it right?

This is in no way anything other then a troll thread and your really reaching if you thing a cry me a river thread is anything but.

hybreezy · 2012-01-04T21:45:45.000Z

Capcom FG equation - Broken characters (Vanilla Sagat, AE Twins, Phoenix) and characters that win and/or place high in tourneys (Fei Long, Seth, Cody, Wolverine) = nerf bat.

Wesker wins Evo, gets buffed
Seth is one of the best in 2012
Fei Long is still considered good in 2012
Wolverine is still a top 15 character in Ultimate

Anyone who says it made sense to nerf Tron the way they did hasn’t seen how fucking broken Zero became after already being one of the best

MarLonLonMilk · 2012-01-14T00:02:55.000Z

Ohhhh.
I see i have a live fish here and that’s going to make this a million times more interesting.
So please do explain why exactly she “need’s” a j.H that hit’s with a million active frames super small startup frames and hits both sides?
Please back that argument up because by that logic then why not give sent back his old Hp i mean he “need’s” it right?

This is in no way anything other then a troll thread and your really reaching if you thing a cry me a river thread is anything but.

I mean…if we’re being serious, yes. I personally think Sent needs his health. I hate Sent, but I almost feel bad at how much of a mixup target he is.

But this isn’t the Sentinel thread and I’m not a Sentinel fan, so I guess that’s another debate lol. I think everybody here is saying that we Tron players were kind of left in the dust without so much as a push in the right direction. I personally believe that we still need to practice a lot more and find the right way to use her ourselves, but I guess not everybody feels that way Give it a few more months guys. I know it feels like we’ve discovered all we can, but there has to be more. J.Wong wins tournaments with IF and I just know that if one of us worked hard enough we could win a tourney with Tron (maybe second place :P). Nonetheless, you’ve got to be a little more understanding…from what I’ve read here, you’re pretty much taunting hostile Tron fans. Even if that’s not your intention, that’s kind of what it looks like.