Thanks Pnoy… I have IL2 LED’s so I will need the adapter anyway. I will not have that problem. Also love the pics and vids man. Cant wait to see the stick after you program the board. Keep up the good work.
That’s a beautiful looking PCB.
I just used two small dabs of hot glue. About a quarter the size of a pencil eraser. I’m using ps14k buttons. A few fit good, being as I’m going to be flipping upside down a lot I figured a bit glue would be good.
Plus hot glue isn’t permanent and is easily removed by applying low heat without damaging the electronics. It’s a good way to get things secure.
Ah, the Kaimana is using the Arduino Leonardo architecture.
This is going to be easier than I thought, somebody already wrote in all of the declares and starting functions… and here I thought this would be a challenge!
I’m not really going to talk though, I don’t have a ton of experience with indexed LEDs. So, I’ll be learning something new on this project =]
@deboru fixed http://support.paradisearcadeshop.com/doku.php?id=kaimana_led_controller
Moon, thanks and I agree on both counts,
Did someone ask about restrictors, well for Seimitsu in… (I am going to skip the digression here but if you want to insert it skip down to ** i probably should have just removed it but it makes me laugh.)
Moon has helped design and test a new line of LS-56 restrictor plates.
The LS-56 has been known for its short throw but current restrictor options allow a much longer throw than needed and have limited offerings. In addition we found the LS-56 to be an amazing 4 way stick for classics when coupled with our new restrictors. Done in true Paradise style, not only will these restrictors have size and shape options, including a circle based gate, they will come in 4 colors to add some style to your stick. Look for the link to the store later today.
Also… I need 5 volunteers willing to pay us first class postage and answer questions on a new jlf restrictor plate, any takers? They are cut and looking for homes. These are circle restrictors and a new style. If they work, the world of custom jlf restrictors is open to any and all suggestions.
Finally, I haven’t forgotten about the dustwasher contest but this trip came up on me fast, I will be printing all of them when I return to HI.
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What am I talking about we have been carrying the Seimitsu products you wanted for ever, almost two years (actually its about 3, I am rounding up to forever, instead of down to never)
They don’t sell great and they are a niche market, so why carry them? Because if you haven’t noticed we like to make new things and support modders. While the regular public is chewing up Sanwa this or that, modders are debating throw and return on joysticks. Looking for little tweaks to bring to the game.
We sell the regular stuff, but lets face it, it’s more fun to watch these guys throw in a custom Led board than talk about putting Sanwa switches in a te stick. We will sell more Sanwa buttons than LEDs this year, but we will have more fun selling the LEDs, that is why Susan and I do this, it has to be a sustainable business, but it has to be fun, and that is why we do what we do and sell what we sell.
Thanks! @armi0024
Pnoy says that his power pins are all on the right side, and after inspecting his images that looks correct. Is his just a rouge board or is that all of them?
I tried jumping the vcc as per deboru’s illustration and changing the sketch file as pnoy instructed, still no luck, haha, here’s pics, is it the same for you guys on the underside?
I think my harness pins are inverted, because if I follow deboru’s illustration, no matter what i get reversed ends like so:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1908672/candy/kaimana/DSC03586.png
on the kaimana board, i lined up the “purple” wire to vcc and so on, but on the Kai-J’s the pins only fit the other way, unless the vcc on the kaimana board IS on the other side?
either way i tried jumping the vcc from the other 4pin on either side, still nothing … i just really need to confirm, which of these are the vcc? the ones with the “traces” showing or not? before i start ruining some harnesses lol
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1908672/candy/kaimana/DSC03583.png
thanks
OK 2 people is enough. My images were inverted.
Use one of the 2 pins on the RIGHT side of the header. (the ones with the traces are VCC)
Sorry guys, not having an actual model yet makes things difficult, thanks for your help.
Thanks Hibachi and Pnoy, your pics made it an absolute, you guys are awesome.
I’d like to chime in that while Sanwa is much more popular, I feel Seimitsu sticks tweak better. I never found anything comfortable for JLF, and on top of that, JLF is a pain in the ass to remove the gates from. Everyone may use them, but they really don’t know what they’re missing out on by ignoring great sticks like the LS-40 and the LS-56.
Plus, they have screw ins for most of their buttons, which Sanwa doesn’t. Don’t know why Sanwa only offers a few opaques in screw ins and nothing else, but whatever. Not like they’re losing out, since everyone gets them. I like Seimitsu, they simply offer more options. Wish they had more presence, but Sanwa got the big contracts with MadCatz and Hori so everyone thinks that’s as good as is gets and that nothing else exists in the land of arcade parts.
Anyway, now that Armi has announced it, I can finally chime in on this little project, lol. There will be 5 custom gates for the LS-56, tweaking various aspects of the stick. Once up on the site, they’ll have descriptions that you can check out. I won’t spoil it just yet, however, I will say that the gate I personally use has a bunch of holes in it, lol.
Options for the LS-56 just got a lot better. The gates combined with the twist (if a LS-56 version comes out) will pretty much allow you to customize the LS-56 to your needs however you wish.
Hopefully, we get some stuff for the LS-40 on the horizon. If a twist comes out for that, then the LS-40 will most likely once again be my main stick.
I totally agree with you Moonchilde, I like more Seimitsu’s buttons line-up than Sanwa’s, the colors on Seimitsu’s parts are brighter and the thing that there is a screw version for almost all the buttons makes this my favorite brand, not to mention the crazy possibility to have built-in LEDs on the PS-14-KN.
Now I have a few questions…
What about any customs restrictors for LS-32…?
I know that this may be the last stick you will use for fighters but some people love it and I think there’s only the official square gate and lately FA announced an round one… but no octo gate so far for this model.
I’m assuming that those 5 custom gates for the LS-56 will fit on the LS-58, right?
If so, there will be serious competition between the JLF and LS-58 sticks, since more of my customers prefer the LS-58 over the JLF.
Never use the LS-40 before… but I think its time to start using it… maybe for my next project… who knows…
Keep the good and hard work flowing!!!
I prefer Seimitsu generally, but i can’t discredit the quality of Sanwa’s products. in most parts they feel better built, some of the best in my opinion. The JLF itself is not that bad imo, most out there joysticks aren’t too bad, it all depends on how easy it is for the person to adjust and get used to them.
in an unrelated note: i saw japanese player Akuesu in the CapcomCup stream last night playing with a HORI HRAP VX-SE, dunno if its either its preference or just the stick she had at hand (well it must’ve been her’s because she didn’t bother with the madcatz sticks provided), its cool to see players of “modern fighting games” use Seimitsu. haha.
seimitsu actually made such. they are PSL-30N’s http://www.seimitsu.co.jp/newpage19.html
it looks cool and all, official stuff is classy, but you can see the price point is a bit too much, plus they are only white light. considering you can get uila/pele/arceye for roughly the same price PLUS they are RGB, yeah its not that much worth it at that cost. imo.
I have the program I want make all mapped out and have started coding a little.
I may enlist the help of another programmer for this, I may be a little too ambitious for the October 15th deadline I’d like to adhere to, by myself.
If anyone would like to see the program map I’m starting with just PM me.
White leds will also wash out the color of the plastic, you really need to color match for colored buttons. This is something we learned from the cheap little Chinese led buttons.
While I prefer the LS-56 for playing games, the JLF is way better constructed IMHO. Using the red aluminum restrictor from Paradise Arcade with the JLF is pretty close to perfect for me. Still, I’m very curious to see the LS-56 getting some love. If only someone could remove the cheap “dead zone wiggle” in all Seimitsu sticks, it’s a personal peeve.
Oh, and that one time I bought SANWA buttons (pink RG’s), they got really badly faded from the sunlight through the window while I’ve never had this happen with Seimitsu products. I don’t know if this is a general problem, but every time I’ve seen used SANWA buttons, the colour above and beneath the panel is like night and day. Bleh.
I noticed this too, the “Light Blue” sanwas tend to yellow over time, i know my sanwa balltop doesn’t match the button’s colors anymore lol.
The light blue Hori buttons on the Wii sticks yellow really badly. I have never seen the light blue Sanwas with yellowing but I don’t doubt that its true.
I don’t want to say anything that’s not my place to say, but I will say I don’t think the LS-56 is the last custom job I’ll have a hand in. I do love the LS-40 after all, lol. LS-32 I do not personally have, but I would be willing to make something for it if I could get my hands on one. Hmm, there are other things I’m also working on but can’t really say much about, lol. One that will be really interesting for sure, and something no one is even thinking of.
Focus Attack is only selling the official LS-32 gates and even got the description wrong on one of the sub-gates claiming it as Octo feeling, which it isn’t at all. That new sub-gate they have will make the stick feel like a Korean stick, since the shape of the restrictor is similar to the restrictor built into the body of say, a Crown stick, only the guide for the LS-32 will have less movement range.
The 5 custom gates will indeed fit the LS-58 as well, which is why I usually type LS-5x since they’re essentially the same stick. I also think they’ll fit the LS-33 and LS-55 as well, but I am not sure since I don’t have them. I’m fairly certain the gate is the same part used on all of the compact Seimitsu sticks. If someone would like to send me a test sample or when the gates come out, confirm, I’d love to know.
The LS-40 is, IMO, a better stick. I like the LS-5x a lot, but once you put any kind of additional tension on the level such as a tighter spring, it causes the pivot to feel grindy or “pop” because of that odd pivot design, even when lubricated. The LS-40 has a much higher quality pivot, over all the stick feels a lot smoother than the LS-5x. Both sticks also have the same exact engage and throw distances, so they’re both fast and the same gate mod theories for the LS-5x will work exactly the same on the LS-40, which is why snip Anyway, I highly recommend giving the LS-40 a shot. The only thing I prefer about the LS-5x over it, is the length of the shaft once mounted in a stick. The LS-40’s shaft is simply too short, which makes it unusable for most people.
Huh, I never understood why people think Sawna feels better built. I mean, the snap tabs on their buttons break all the damn time (probably the same for Seimitsu snap in tabs, though…) and they don’t offer screw in options. I do however, like the tint of their smoke and transparents, and I think the plunger designs are interesting, but they still have those crappy snap in tabs. JLF only has a superior pivot IMO, other than that, the plastic body is just the same in feeling and I even worry that the tabs on those would break after a while. The JLF gate feels super brittle although it’s fairly sturdy, however the tabs that allow 4 way restriction break extremely easy. I only changed the gate 4 times and they broke off.
For what it’s worth, the Seimitsu gates have a softer feel to them that I feel makes them a bit more durable, less brittle, could probably take more abuse. I’ve hammered a stock gate against a piece of MDF to map out mounting holes for an older variant of the short throw mod, and there was no damage at all to the gate. Those things will definitely last, even under minor abuse.
The JLF has dead zone wiggle as well.
Dead zone wiggle is something that you can cut down on by putting more tension on the lever, which means a tighter spring. But you’ll still have some degree of wiggle, and I don’t recommend tighter springs unless you use aluminum ball/bat tops.
I think the cause of the “cheap” dead zone feel may be because of the pivot design. Since the Seimitsu pivot doesn’t feel as smooth as the JLF, that could be it. I personally feel that the LS-40 also feels better at dead zone than the LS-5x, and the only real difference between the two sticks is the pivot, otherwise the measurements for engage and throw are the same between them.
Ok, I will definitely buy a LS-40 for “personal test” that in case any of my customers don’t came up with some request for the next month.
Thanks Moonchilde for clear my doubts, very appreciated!!!
!! FINALLY I got it working… big thanks to @Pnoy Pryde for the tips, i pretty much followed what he did.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1908672/candy/kaimana/IMG_2684.png
now to mess with the code itself.