Joe MAD! has nice storytelling.
This isn’t the late 90’s anymore. No one is trying to be MAD! except Roger Cruz.
It seems like you have a personal grudge against speed lines.
It’s a tool. It gets overused, yes, but it’s still very necessary to use them and shouldn’t be avoided just because some people do it badly.
LeSean does an amazing job of convying movement without speedlines. Most all his figures are extremely energetic. He probably just adds them out of habit/style choice.
There was nothing to the Trigun pages; “Does a special move, slash”.
IMO Trigun is a piss poor example of good manga in general.
I never said Joe Mad was a bad storyteller, I said people need to stop trying to be him. And you can see it in tons of people’s art. Stuff from his style can be see in lots of art today. Because he basically pioneered the whole american anime movement.
I never said LeSean wasn’t good at portraying movement, he’s one of my favorite artists. But that page made me feel sad because it’s just all speed lines. He doesn’t need to put speed lines all over the place. His art is lively enough.
Sorry I have a different opinion and your so good at understanding bad action scenes. I tried to show what I meant and you just shit on everything I said because it was “dumb”. I even tried to provide examples, and I never made anything personal.
The fact that you think it’s necessary to use them is dumb. They aren’t necessary at all. If you can’t see that people are bogarding that shit to death, I don’t know what your looking at. It seems like people just draw them so they won’t have to draw a background. If I’m the minority in this opinion, whatever, I’ll try to do something different and fail if thats what I have to do.
At least I tried to prove my point and not have the conversation boil down to a flame war.
The fact that people are so bent up on doing something creative and flashy now a days makes lots of art hard to read and enjoy. I’ll just use simple panels and be captain boring, at least people will be able to know what the fuck is going on in what I draw.
Sorry I took your thread in another direction Rook, I think I’m done discussion this because I’m so obviously in the wrong.
Slash, i dont understand what you mean when you say you dont understand whats going on in that particular page of cannonbusters regarding the usage of speed lines. Theres about 7 panels and 3 of them convey speed lines because theres a certain level of action happening. Its a technique used to ENHANCE movement on a 2-dimensional format (comics being the case, but you see it used in animes like FLCL and many others). It’s not always nessesary (but that all depends on opinions again) but thats its purpose.
but you KNOW this. or not? either way, speedlines have been around since BEFORE japanese manga decided to copy us, ( Do a Google search on Jack Kirby) lol. of course, this doesnt matter. i’m not about to try and invalidate your opinion becasue of course, your opinion is just that: a point of view. allow me to give mine. dont be sad. lol. i will continue to use speed lines to my taste and how i see fit. if that means i lose a reader because its that DEEP for you, lol then so be it. also, being that i often times am humble i occasionally sway to being arrogant ( though people rarely see it) . here’s me being arrogant and adhering to your advice : You’ll have to keep practicing so you can someday, put your money where your mouth is.lol.
Often times people hide behind their opinions to poke and invalidate everyone who doesnt think the way that person does. they often use words a certain way to cover up their angst towards a certain approach while still pleading that they mean not to insult or be negative. but they obviously are, then cry when people are accusing them of being negative. the truth is, you dont have to like what an artist says or does. but let 'em live.
compared to a lot of my previous works, these panels are considered work that of “captain boring” because i kept everything inside the panels, which means you can still “know what the fuck is going on inside the panels” even though this page is completely out of context for you to judge it as a whole. and you’re not in the “wrong” i just think you have a hard time knowing you arent the only one on the planet with an “opinion”. people will disagree with you. that doesnt make your opinion any less valid.
keep practicing. i know i will.
P.S. Not sure if the Joe Mad clone insult was swayed towards me in your lumped up generalizing of other professionals artistic abilities, but i’ll have you know, I’ll say i’m quite original. i dont draw like nobody else in the “anime-inspired american artist” comic market here and have inspired a few clones/ wannabes of my own because i know what the fuck i’m DOING. I’m an ANIMATOR first. Dont forget, i’m only 3 years old in comics
I think the fact that I didn’t fully explain myself clearly right off the bat made my opinion seem very snobbish and hard to argee with. Thats why the arguement began in the first place.
I know whats going on in that page, the car just got smashed to hell, and the armored guy (Odin I believe )picked up the guy ( it’s either the king or the toji dude ) and is running away with the quickness, because whatever smashed the car is coming after his ass.
I have a general idea of what was going on in the examples I posted too.
And I know speed lines are great at adding motion to a piece of art, it’s just that when a whole page is full of speed lines, that just kinda bothers me. Maybe some background could be added, and faded out so the figures moving still stand out, I dunno. The overuse of speed lines just seems to clutter up an action scene to me. Of course that’s just me.
I do realize that theres an amazing amount of artists in the world that are about 300 billion times better then me, and thats not even taking into account the people on this very fanart forum who are levels above me as well. My critique of the speed line thing would probably have a lot more weight to it if I could show some examples of what I want to convey, but I think I’m just not a good enough artist yet.
I don’t think I have the skills to take a pinch of the style and flash of anime and combine it with the cartoonish ol school style of the artists from the silver age. I truely do need to up my artistic abilities significantly if I want to do anything creatively.
And to be truthful, that completely kills my opinion in everyway from a realistic standpoint I guess. But I’m not going just drop my beliefs because people disargee with me. I’ll just have to get better and show people what I mean through action.
Don’t worry, you haven’t lost a reader, I got Cannonbusters #1, and then you cut us off. Now I gotta wait for the trade like everyone else.
And yes I will keep practicing, mainly because I am actually still learning. I’m surprized and happy you posted in this thread. It’d be nice if the Udon guys would come in here too.
EDIT - Shit you got in there ninja style, no that Joe Mad thing wasn’t directed at you. It wasn’t directed at anyone in general. If you want to get technical about it, I was probably talking about myself, and my fears that I’m gonna be Joe Mad clone # 234 if I don’t come up with something cool or new.
