Ok so I just finished all 24 cammy trials, I have a standard definition tv, what the heck is the icon I got? Is it the Delta Red flag or something???
- shorter SB charge time
- lk. flash kick more invincible frame equivalent to EX version
- df Roundhouse has 1hit juggle properties plus better hit box
- can flash kick FADC Ultra with U2
- best of all can equip shades during battle. CSI Miami, Horacio style. Most satisfying feeling is to trade hits with U2 then reversal shades taunt and see them die with it by the end of Ultra
So i just downloaded the iphone version of SF4 and ummm no Cammy. Is there some way to get her or has she not been released yet?
I don’t think she’s been released yet.
Really early tier list for Super: http://iplaywinner.com/news/2010/5/13/iplaywinner-may-2010-super-street-fighter-4-tier-list.html
Cammy’s finally mid-tier where she belongs.
Cammy’s top tier, at least top of upper mid. Tier list is mainly filipinochamps opinion, it’s not really relevant.
Well I agree it’s still really early and it’s definitely going to change some, but as much as i love cammy, she isn’t top tier. She could’ve been if her U2 would’ve helped her with some of her bad match ups, but alas…
If by change you mean we’ll get lists that look completely different because they’re not made by primarily one person then yes, the tier list will definitely change.
Cammy has all the tools she needs in order to win at any level -
- Above average footsies, good walk speed to complement it and being able to option select SA into cr. mk giving her setup is dangerous. Not to mention improved range on st. rh.
- Killer mixup game. If Cammy gets in, she’s gonna do a shit load of damage, and most importantly, she can stay in.
- One of the best anti-airs in the game (seriously, it knocks everything out of the air) and it doubles as a great wake up move.
- Extremely easy to land U1, not to mention very versatile.
- One of the best supers in the game.
You can zone decently with her if you want, and her defense is above average to due to a good backdash and uppercut.
Bad matchups - From browsing the Cammy boards it seems like popular opinion on here is that she loses to honda, guile, gief? I don’t think she lost to honda or guile in sf4, and she kinda split with gief. She definitely goes at least even with all 3 of those in super, leaving her only real bad matchup to be Balrog. Funny enough, U2 is GREAT for balrog. Like mashing jabs after my divekick? lol gg’s
I think balrog is a 5-5 match. In Vanilla and in Super. As soon as you knock balrog down, there’s not much he can do. After back throw? GG
Honda, Guile and Gief IMO are her bad matchups. They’re all 6-4, not 7-3. The rest of the matches are 5-5 or in Cammy’s favor. I would seriously put her in top 3.
I kinda feel Gief and Honda are both 5-5 now, but it feels like Balrog is now 7-3 in Balrog’s favor. I don’t see what Cammy can do to Balrog, she has to bait everything just to score a knockdown and Rog’s long ass range cr.lp pretty much negates her wakeup game. It might just be that I don’t know how to play this matchup in super, but for me, Balrog was significantly easier to play against in vanilla. Guile is probably still 6-4.
I would say that Cammy’s 3 bad matchups are THawk, Guile, and Balrog at 6-4, 6-4, 7-3.
Closest thing she has to a bad matchup is Rog and Rog alone. And it isn’t as bad before, especially with a better cross up. Rog’s wakeup game leaves something to be desired. It’s hardly as bad as most make it out to be, definitely comes down to your matchup knowledge really.
As a former Guile player, I can tell you that all you need to do is get in once and you should be able to secure the victory against him, lol. He ain’t great up close. Find it an even matchup, tbh, not bad at all. Against a lot of characters, you just need to knock them on their ass once and then you win if you play it properly from there.
Right now I think the tops in no particular order are Akuma, Ibuki, Rog, Cammy, and Ryu/Rufus (can’t decide which). All can handle any situation and don’t have more than a handful of bad matchups between them.
personally i disagree… :china:
Balrog is her #1 worst matchup (now that Geif Nerfs are AMAZING lol … he’s not as good or effective as before)… so that moves Rog to spot #1…
and i honestly think its 7-3… 6.5-3.5 at best… :china:
Honda gave me troubles in vanilla but it wasnt as bad as Geif and Balrog…
about the rest of the cast … yeah… cammy pretty much dominates or at equal grounds with the rest of the cast…
potential trouble makers: T.Hawk, Adon and Deejay (boho just another version of Guile)
Have to agree with seiku. How is balrog bad for cammy? Just because she doesnt have a fireball? Cammy is one of the few chars that can reliably punish dash punches ( st jab>spiral arrow), has one of the best focus attacks in the game, and can REALLY put the heat on balrog off a knockdown… not to mention how vulnerable he is to hooligan harassment. This match seems even at worst to me unless theres something im missing.
Is there any specific reason people seem to think balrog is bad for cammy?
Don’t think balrog is a bad match up anymore. With the reduce damage on U1. Risk of head butt in to ultra is not scary. And yes st. jab is the way.
:nono: try to play against a balrog whos familiar with her hooligan tricks and traps (sigh gimmicks)…
forward throw -> mp Hooligan = can be escaped by c.jab
backthrow -> ambiguous crossup = auto-correct headbutt
Balrog can pretty much shuts down every aspect of her rush down…
i agree that with s.far.hk and j.lk being a reliable crossup … things are looking slightly better…
but just slightly… cammy has to work many times harder to win this match (in comparison to how easy it is for balrog)
she suffers against downback… and hes the personification of the word DOWNBACK! :nono:
I honestly think Gief is 5-5 now. He only got one real buff. His german suplex is a one frame throw now. And his nerfs are huge: cr. Lk is one frame slower (his cr.Lk links are one frame links now), fixed Lariat hitbox, damage nerf and a health nerf.
At the same time I think Balrog was and still is 7-3. He can easily break your rushdown with a random jab (that can lead into Ultra), and after a backthrow he can easily escape with EX rush punch. Plus, he can escape any regular cross-up with a simple backdash (because option select into sweep doesn’t work on him).
Cr. Jab, cr. Short xx Headbutt, Ultra does only 20 damage less (357 damage) than before.
And raw Headbutt into Ultra does 30 damage less.
I say it still is just as scary.
Is this really relevant to match-up comparisons? It might still be 5-5 but any combo is a tool regardless of difficulty.
I wouldnt say that Rog vs Cammy is 7-3. I think its hard-- probably 6-4. Its hard to get damage on rog, but at the same time if you get the first hit, he cant really get damage on you either. His lp dash is punishable by c.lk SA. Its probably easier for him, but I think she has the tools to make it a challenge for him.
Ok some one lay out to me why Guile is a bad matchup for Cammy. I want a laugh.
The main point was, that Giefs really important normal is slower now. Imagine if Cammy’s cr. Lk was a 4 frame move, that would be a huge nerf.
Difficulty is less revelant, but it does matter. Like Cammy can combo after FADC’ing first hit of HK SA, but she can only combo a 3 frame normal as a 1 frame link. Technically it is usefull, but unrealiable. If it was a two frame link that would be a BnB.
100% in agreement… :tup:
i do believe its 7-3… (6.5-3.5 maybe due to the new j.lk, and far hk… )