Official SSF2T: HD Remix General Discussion Thread

[MrArcadePerfect]

The beta lasts for 8 weeks correct? how many weeks have passed since it got released? Think we’ll see it shortly after the beta finishes.

next week friday the beta over

[Guregu]

The thing is, my interest wouldn’t be deflating if we’d been kept up to date with the changes being made and if some of the changes I’d heard about didn’t sound retarded. I understand that Sirlin is very busy, but it takes a total of 20 minutes over the period of a week to write one of those blog entries.

Sirlin has already said that he has already written all of the character rebalancing blogs. It’s Capcom that has been holding them back. I’m guessing they will post the rest of them in the weeks leading up to the games release (whenever that is).

[crackbone]

The thing is, my interest wouldn’t be deflating if we’d been kept up to date with the changes being made and if some of the changes I’d heard about didn’t sound retarded. I understand that Sirlin is very busy, but it takes a total of 20 minutes over the period of a week to write one of those blog entries.

Sirlin has said repeatedly that it’s up to Capcom PR/Marketing as to when the updates go out, and hinted most if not all were written and done long ago. Has he said otherwise lately?

[polarity]

I actually bought a 360 to play this game and I’m getting to the point now where I might not even bother buying it. I have serious doubts about whether this game will replace ST as the tournament standard (Evo’s inevitable bias aside), and if it doesn’t, I have no real interest in it considering the netplay will most likely be worse than GGPO, the art is worse than original ST even at many times the resolution, and the 360 is a far less convenient netplay platform on the whole compared to the PC.

[UltraDavid]

Well, he also just said this on his site:

So…you want some info on the workings of games? There is no information that is intentionally secret in any game I’ve worked on… Yomi has all information readily available with no secret formulas at all. What more can I possibly do? I am already working 4 jobs here and I have already explosed a ton of inormation about these games. I really don’t have time to do any more. No one is saying information should be secret so I STILL do not know what you want from me.

Maybe you’re saying, “I wish Sirlin would hire an employee who works on compiling, explaining and making available all possible information for a game.” Yeah me too. But I wish I had an employee who would actually make a game in the first place, and I don’t have that either.

Makes me think that there’d be more blog updates if he had more time to do them.

[polarity]

He said previously that all the blog updates are already written, it’s just that Capcom is holding back on putting them up for some reason.

[UltraDavid]

Doesn’t seem very likely to me that Capcom would witthold blog entries for three months.

[polarity]

I bet it didn’t seem very likely that they’d release a broken beta and then release a patch that was almost as broken either, did it? This project reeks of incompetence and mismanagement all around, so one further bizarre decision wouldn’t really surprise me.

[Ubersaurus]

I’m pretty sure that it was stated, ON the Capcom blog, that they wouldn’t be putting out any blog entries about HDR until the beta finishes. It’s not a matter of if you think capcom is gonna withhold blog entries; they already said they are.

[crackbone]

I’m still completely hyped for SFHD. It’ll be fun as hell to play a new version of Super Turbo, and I like the artwork so far.

And even as buggy as the netcode is, I can still get good-playing games on it quite a lot. I love GGPO, but between the available player bug, black screen non-connects, and in-game desyncs sometimes it takes me longer to find a game on it than SFHD. It’ll be nice to have another option with a more structured lobby/match system.

[zerodotjander]

I think 2df has a very good lobby system.

[crackbone]

I think 2df has a very good lobby system.

Yeah, it’s definitely a step up from what GGPO offers. Of course, over there I tend to find mostly non-US players so the performance drops.

In perfect world we’d get a fusion of all three that had GGPO’s code, F2P’s game selection lobby, and SFHD’s “quarter match” lobbies. As it is I love the multiplayer lobbies in SFHD and I’m really looking foward to them - it’s a cool experience to get to play and watch and bullshit like I’m in an arcade. It’s something I can’t really do locally anymore.

[SaBrE]

and the 360 is a far less convenient netplay platform on the whole compared to the PC.

i completely disagree here. PC netplay is always more complicated. console, you just pop in the game, and go play.

on pc, you gotta forward ports(and learn how to do so if you don’t know), hope your hardware is good enough, then deal with the legions of computer scrubs that don’t know how to port forward. then if its emulator based(ggpo, p2p, 2df), now people gotta know what settings to setup in the emu to get proper aspect ratios, ensure they can get consistent 60fps emulation with no hiccups, make sure their controller works with the emu/game. And let’s be honest, MOST people that play on ggpo are playing on horrible pc setups, or have their crap configured wrong which both chugs down the game for both players. online fg players are fucking poor, why you think most of em use keyboards supposedly?

So my point, is pc online, especially for just 1 on 1 gameplay(fighters), is far from convenient compared to console. on console, the game is designed for the one peice of hardware. The netcode is optimized to take full advantage of the one console. Not having to deal with 8437563876587365783 different pc setups and hope for the best. Since everyone is on the same hardware, theres no worries of some random assclown on the other end having shitty hardware, bogging the gameplay down. Everyone is on the same hardware, getting the same framerates and all that. netcode aside, all laggy games are almost always due to horrid connection or too far away. On pc, you have all the extra variables mentioned above to make online play worse.

Yes, theres more open ended flexibility on how to implement online play on the pc, of course. no bandwidth restrictions and all that. But a console is a much more hardware controlled environment. and most online games don’t transfer that much data so its easy to stay under the bw requirements that MS asks for.

Anyways, good art or not, HD is gonna be fun. From what I have played, I am impressed. The game is really fun, and is very different, but still competitive. It’s very refreshing to play. To us hardcore, is it that big of a deal if the art is good or not? Most will turn it off anyway. Most casual people cant tell good art from bad art, and if they could, 2d sprite based games would possibly still be relevant in the retail market. And considering its a dlc title, they don’t expect too much anyway.

this art delay should be a blessing anyway. If the art didnt fall behind, would we even get a rebalance mode? Or even other goodies? Would we even get a beta to stress test the netcode? So just imagine, if art came along with no delays, we woulda had a much more stripped down version of a game with just a paint job and probably even worse netcode. HD’s netcode is not that bad, it just sucks for people that don’t have people near them, which sucks. But it’s still really good and under good conditions, and at times, way more playable than ggpo IMO(my gripe here is more emu related tho). GGPO gets the upperhand tho for being able to handle such a wide variety of connection issues, like a champ

People need to stop pointing at sirlin. People need to try and be fucking respectful with your opinions, instead of being pricks, especially about shit you don’t have the facts on. Constructive critisism and opinions are just fine. But have some common courtesy. If it continues, I’ll just close the thread down.

I’ve typed way more than i would have liked

/end rant

[thrazz]

on pc, you gotta forward ports(and learn how to do so if you don’t know), hope your hardware is good enough, then deal with the legions of computer scrubs that don’t know how to port forward.

You gotta forward ports in consoles too, it’s just that consoles support UPnP, but any PC app can implement UPnP too (and that’s one of the suggestions I’ve made many times on #ggpo).

[SaBrE]

thing is tho, almost every router out there on the market is already configured to support ps3 360 and wii, out the box. so its not needed

[Nos99]

And even as buggy as the netcode is, I can still get good-playing games on it quite a lot. I love GGPO, but between the available player bug, black screen non-connects, and in-game desyncs sometimes it takes me longer to find a game on it than SFHD.

I can more easily connect with people and have a game in GGPO, rather than with HD.

[SaBrE]

nos99: and you are just basing that off a bug, thats gonna be gone in the full version, or atleast i hope, lol

[Nos99]

ya, HD should be easier.

crosses fingers

[SteveTren]

I can more easily connect with people and have a game in GGPO, rather than with HD.

Totally disagree… I have the hardest time connecting with people on GGPO. HD I connect far more consistantly.

[SaBrE]

and youll have an even harder time if your ports arent forwarded(more like impossible), and have to wonder if the opponent did the same, correctly. not the fault of ggpo tho(sometimes), thats pc gaming for ya at times