Official SRK Ultra SF4 Rebalance Request Thread

Careful what you ask for. Trolling or not. I could only imagine the mass panic amongst Viper players if they were told capcom placed a height restriction on her air burnkicks. You saw what happened to the Cammy community. :lol:

That makes sense, I think the character sizes were a bit different in vanilla too, but that could’ve just been my SD tv at the time.

akuma should get a hidden ultra 3 as his ground punch super from third strike

Im not sure they will bring Viper down a notch, maybe just some damage nerfs. She’s rough if you use Guile.

Be careful, if you speak about Viper nerfs Vipers players will bring out ye olde ‘‘shes a hard character to master so that makes it ok’’ argument.

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Well so is Gen but he isn’t top tier(although I think he is stronger than many estimate - if used correctly i.e. Amiyu) Execution isn’t a free pass, if anything Capcom wants to make these games even easier to play to attract more casuals.

I know- which is exactly why nerfing Viper would be the ***ultimate ***nerf they could think of. It would be a magnificent troll which I’d commend them for before proceeding to bomb Ono’s twitter account.

Viper is hard

  • Makes it OK to have +6 on LK Burnkick +4 on MK Burnkick, +2 on HK Burnkick
  • Makes it OK to have -2 on LK Thunder Knuckle, -1 on MK Thunder Knuckle
  • Makes it OK to have meterless FADC
  • Makes it OK to have a hitconfirm into
  • Makes it OK to have high stun output
  • Makes it OK to have high damage output
  • Makes it OK to have ambiguous mixups
  • Makes it OK to have a BNB that does 825 stun

Nerf her all the way to shit

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(I’m just trying to farm more tears)

Keep Viper the same. >_>

To tali, this is why Ken’s Fierce SRK does not need a buff. It has the best recovery of all shoto Fierce SRK’s. You are correct that this doesnt really matter on block but it certainly is a big difference on hit. After successfully connecting a fierce sRK Ken can hold up/forward and get mixup of a crossup MK, a crossup LK that is safe from reversal uppercuts. He can empty and go low or grab. He can fake the crossup and jump in with fierce for a big combo. Basically he gets a good mixup from a successful SRK. No other shoto can do that. Also, Ken fierce SRK has a unique property that on Counter Hit it puts the opponent into full juggle state. He can do counter hit Fierce SRK fadc Ultra 1. Ultra 1 is one of the strongest ultras in the game. Also, it is very easy to hit confirm if you are hitting or if they blocked on a guessed Fierce SRK. With all of those benefits that no other shoto has on their Fierce SRK’s, do you still think it should have 20 more points of damage? Please don’t say it’s because it has fire as I am clearly not trollin here…

I honestly hope they leave the street fighter series out of the casual plans, Marvel, TvC, SFxT, theres plenty of other titles to market at the casual crowd.

I agree. I dont like easy mode mashers either. I like thinking games, not guessing ones.

They’re not mutually exclusive. The art of knowing your opponent’s mind is a difficult one but it isn’t guessing. Guessing is when you have no information and commit to a decision.

So it’s like playing Ranked.

Gotcha.

He should have a Terry Bogard hat. If you think he’s a problem now, just wait.

“Activate! Ginei-jin! AH YUU OHKEHH!?”

Think of it another way: If it’s guessing, which may as well be the toss of a coin, then why are some people better at it than others? It’s called reading for a reason.

You cant just logically reduce all guessing situations to the simple toss of a coin, the game is more than that(more options to guess), but there are still many situations where you have to guess - you try to use your skills/knowledge and put yourself in position to best avoid guessing(ie. getting knocked down).

When I said I dont like guessing games, I meant games that make it harder to avoid guessing situations and thus easier to rely on skill. I think SF does a pretty good job of that.:tup:

ryus move is the fireball, kens is the shoryuken.
ryus fireball beats kens in every aspect, ryus is faster,stronger,has less recovery, ex knocks down.
kens shoryuken doesn’t beat ryus in all aspects, it has less damage and head to head ryus wins unless kens is a little delayed.
giving equal or more damage will make kens shoryuken better in all aspects like ryus fireball is to kens. it won’t make him broken as giving 10 dmg points won’t change any match ups and won’t go noticed.

Great! It’s not even worth doing. Now that that’s settled…

Kinda makes me wonder, seeing how much debate tiers stir up, what it’ll be like next week when hoards of people download 3S:OE and get stuck on the character select screen, promply google search a 3S tier list and realise how much difference there is between the balance in that and the balance in AE. (Presumably followed by a virtual sprint to get on here and rage about it)

Trust me, 3S tier list is really not the reason hoards of people will not stay on it.