Official SRK Ultra SF4 Rebalance Request Thread

[sandwichcookie]

++ all of that ^^ for evil sakura as well.

[D_Dollars]

just give yang normal health and i’m happy.

[Cee_Dizzy]

So if you nerf giefs spd range how is he ever going to get a knockdown. If you nerf lp spd you need to give exgh it’s knock down back.

Never thought of that… Let me shut up

[Staying_Free]

I lost it at Ultra 2 should cut the character in half. And I don’t think Capcom has ever really listened to anyone, which honestly, is probably good.

[LoyalSol]

I lost it at Ultra 2 should cut the character in half. And I don’t think Capcom has ever really listened to anyone, which honestly, is probably good.

It’s ok I never had it to begin with.

It’s amazing what 2 days of entrance exams do to someone’s brain.

[omniproxXx]

1. At this point, it is highly unlikely that the properties of Ultra 1 are going to be made to fully juggle on everyone whenever you land it in the corner/whatever. This was a common complaint for Chun players in vanilla SF4. They addressed that by introducing Kikosho into her SSF4 arsenal. Ultra 1 is primarily for ground punishes and opponents who’s moves leave them vulnerable on the ground for 7 frames or more. Ultra 2 was meant more for its juggle ability. If ultra 1 was made to reliably juggle 100% of the time then Ultra 2 would get no mileage because U1 gets more damage on a full juggle (even the gimped AE half-assed juggle version does more than ultra 2). You have to choose.

2. It sounds like when that happens, either the ultra wasn’t executed clean/close enough, or you traded. This is normal and by no means unfair. Even Ryu’s Metsu Hadoken ultra can glance off the opponent for only 1 hit if not timed properly.

3. I’m okay with having that stuff back. Although I think st. mp only got a damage nerf while her cr. hk got the stun nerf. Most sweeps have already been nerfed on stun at this point. I think Viper is one of the only (few?) characters left that still has 200 stun on her sweep and that comes out pretty slow compared to others.

4. Unless it whiffs 100% on a standing/advancing opponent they’re probably not gonna change it and I wouldn’t see any reason to. It’s a half-screen normal that stops people dead in their tracks. They already made it come out slower so people wouldn’t have as hard of a time crouching to dodge it or walking and blocking it as they try to get in.

5. He’s Seth. All of his borrowed moves’ properties are slightly different from the original owner’s and combined they make his general character is geared toward godlike mixups with high risk. That’s not for Chun in this game (or most other characters he stole moves from for that matter).

6. She doesn’t need faster recovery. It’s still the same as it was in vanilla (never changed) and it’s fine as is. I don’t think anyone needs to be matching the recovery of Guile’s as his is an extreme as far as FB recovery goes and one of his unique traits. If he had and invincible DP like Shotos or a juggle-able air normal that can combo into stuff like EX moves or ultra like Chun or Ryu… he’d be broken with that sonic boom recovery.

7. I’m fine with this being tweaked/fixed. It sucks going for a whiff punish with it only to have the 2nd hit in the target combo whiff.

I’ve already made my suggestions for Chun, but I know for the most part wherever she seems to be lacking is for a reason and she can still work well without it. The most common suggestion I’ve seen is reverting her back to her super version and I’m cool with that. But I don’t want any changes pushing her over the edge with something she doesn’t need like an invincible DP/tenshokyaku. I hear enough people complaining about her as is…

as for #7 in vanilla when i did LP Kikoken I could dash forward and be behind the opponent on a cf+f RH … ever since chocolate this is not the case…now that i think about it…it isnt the kikoken stun that changed it was the distance that an opponent travels after a throw. I just watched a vid from vanilla that confirmed it. That used to allow for alot of mixup possibilies that went a way in Chocolate…

[Kriger_Stern]

Nobody complained about Gen and he probably got hit the hardest from vanilla to super.

Then someone at capcom isn’t doing his job right.
People asked for Gen buffs, we got Gen nerfs.
People asked for Megaman in MVC3 and Megaman Legends 3 was cancelled.

[otori]

LOL. That’s true…maybe we should ask for Yun buffs then, just to be sure.

[Shinrahunter]

Bison’s U2 should be changed back to the motion.
Juri’s U2 should hit opponents when they land right behind her (her leg goes straight through them)
Viper needs buffs and her moveset should have the same motions as in mvc3 - makes more sense
Oni needs to less priority.

[HNIC_Mike]

does bison need a motion U2? he has decent matches against fireball characters not named guile, dosent he?

[tali]

ultra 2 as motion makes him scarier if your a FB char, once he hits 50% life he then makes you fear of throwing out 1 unsafe fb and mistiming your crossups.

[BentoBox]

He does go even with all fb chars that aren’t guile, without the U2. So it’s not like he needs it back, but it certainly is completely useless as a charge move. You’re already not going to be shooting FBs recklessly when bison is sitting with meter in your face, I don’t see how you could consider shooting one off if he has U2 stocked on top of it all…

[stabicron]

He does go even with all fb chars that aren’t guile, without the U2. So it’s not like he needs it back, but it certainly is completely useless as a charge move. You’re already not going to be shooting FBs recklessly when bison is sitting with meter in your face, I don’t see how you could consider shooting one off if he has U2 stocked on top of it all…

Pretty much this. Just want it to not be useless anymore really, doesn’t have to be done via changing the motion back but something would have to happen considering its startup 22 frames and the fact he has no combo into it besides j.mp x 2 which is pretty bad to be honest gets beaten very easily by most moves in the air, especially from the fireball chuckers as most of their air to air attacks are a lot better than that move.

[Ellipsen]

Ok here is what Akuma needs

Buff Red Fireball to 200 damage/200 stun

Buff SRK to 210 damage

Buff sweep to 400 stun

Buff s.HK to not whiff on all characters and lower the hitable box so Akuma can use it as an anti-air

Buff the recovery on flip throw so he can OS off of it

Buff c.MK to Ryu’s old one

Buff s.HP hitbox to make it a better anti-air

Buff sweep to 4 frames and make it +1 on block.

Buff Fireball to be like Guile’s booms

Buff overall stun

Change his landing speed from 4 frames to 3. He needs it for his vortex

Buff LP.SRK to 9 invincible frames

Make it so everyone can be Tatsu swept and make the link a 4 frame link.

Buff health to 1200

Give Akuma a SPD

Ultra 1 should be an instant kill ultra. In addition to this the character will no longer be selectable at the select screen. I mean I just dragged them to hell. They should be more than dead!

Ultra 2 should cut the character in half.

Lastly nerf s.MK. That crap is broken.

That would make him too good, health 1100 max - no way he should have more than Zangief.

[Slapyou]

Ryu should be able to transform into evil ryu with 2 meter and transform back to normal with another 2 meter. Then we can remove evil ryu out of the game and just leave oni.

[Killer_Jigglypuff]

Makoto needs a mouth laser like Nappa from Dragonball Z. She just can’t compete otherwise I don’t think.

[Warlike]

gen should have a 3rd default ultra:

If activated a doctor will walk up the screen and show gen his test results from his latest blood sample show his leukemia has gotten worse. The round will then end in a draw.

[Spartan_Throne]

It’s strange how many people fail to spot the difference between and honest suggestion and a joke suggestion.

If you can’t make that distinction, what are you doing in a thread about rebalancing a game?

[AmigoOne]

Elf should keep his frying pan. Acts like Vegas claw and 20% damage boost to normals. All pokes cause some sort of knockdown. And lots of sound effects.

[Chromecakes]

Viper needs a height restriction on her burnkicks.

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