921

I think Boxer dominates a few characters, I know I felt like he dominated Ken for example… but Ken was terrible. And my Ken was (is) terrible as well. But… a lot of Kens felt that way. Ironically, Ken actually has some tech that makes him pretty okay against Sagat.

edit: Honda, C. Viper. That matchup is completely fucking retarded, and given that my main training partner plays Honda it made me never want to touch the bitch ever again.

922

boxer doesn’t dominate ken though. ken has the same c.mk that ryu has. and c.mk owns boxer. if you can do c.mk/DP trap consistently, boxer cannot “dominate” ken. his DP is shitter though. ken has better jumpin options and better pokes and mixups than ryu.

boxer doesn’t dominate shotos in this game, i cannot agree with that. shoto c.mk inherently just puts boxer in a position that he cannot dominate that matchup.

and honda vs c.viper, i cannot really say much in that matchup because i haven’t played my honda against a strong viper. i wish i could though because if that really is a bad matchup for viper, then i’ma be using him more often against viper players. viper players just need to sit the fuck down cause i hate viper mixups, too good.

923

EX headbutt owns the SJC mixup for free, Stopsign snuffs all of her anti air options (except dashunder TK, but you can still get owned if you’re no fast enough.) As scrubby as it usually is against other characters, Viper can really do nothing against Honda’s basic tools, hell, full screen headbutt is just something she has to block.

Plus health difference, and it’s really just a shutout. Unless you’re Marn, apparently. But seriously, stop sign, slapchop, and EX headbutt just laugh at Viper.

924

that’s not true! you didn’t guess it right everytime…lol baby allen likes to use me as his reference…:looney:

925

bring your cards…i will prove i can guess your card!!! you cannot cheat like you did last time…you HAVE to let me shuffle cards. otherwise it is just stupid luck if you shuffle.

926

exactly…lol it’s not a real guessing game if you shuffle the cards; it’s abit less than 2% of the chance you can guess it right if I shuffle…:rofl: or else you would just limit the card within a group of less cards… :wink:

927

jjj, how is it not a real guessing game if i shuffle? what is different about you shuffling and me shuffling. unless you think i am cheating…in which case…you can be cheating too. i’m a REALLLLY good guesser when i shuffle. when you shuffle, my guessing power becomes weak for some reason. do not ask me to explain, too hard and complicated…someone of your limited guessing ability cannot understand.

928

:rofl::lol::rofl::lol::rofl::lol::rofl:… my ability is called the universal option select… it works…lol

929

Lolol!!!

930

JJJ is a card cheater imo!!! How can he come back from 7-1 if not??? Cheater!!! :slight_smile:

glen vs Mr.K round 100??
good god, can we drop this shiz already??? Why don’t you guys just agree to disagree??? For the love of god, don’t take it so personally. We’re not fuking nazis. We don’t have to agree on all the issues in the games. I’m not going to be ban/not friend any for disagree with me. That’s just absurd. That’s a bit overboard.

About Seth 's op, I think that character is decent but not overpower. I don’t care about what the producer of the game said. They was thinking on paper not in real tournament setting. Look at all the tournament results, Tell me how many seth players actually place top 3. That char require perfect play. No one can do that

931

best part was that it was someone who had nothing to do with the actual character balancing process. you know whatever media outlet goaded that shit out of them, then sf players made it a headline.

seth’s fine. high risk, high reward. he has the best toolset out of any character at the cost of dealing the least damage (okay, rose) and taking the most far and away.

seth even has matchups that don’t favor him because of his low health, like… any decent C. Viper player can make a match against Seth into a touch of death combo video if he jumps at the wrong time and lands in an ex seimso. then you’ve taken 30-40% not counting ultra, then you’re knocked down or dizzied, then you’re dead.

whatev, let’s just drop this subject. it’s not going to get us anywhere. competitive standards say that seth is legal, and while i’m sure we all hate playing against him he’s not overpowered. annoying and gimmicky as fuck, but who gives a shit about that? that’s a lot of characters (ie: blanka, sakura, ken, etc) and no one complains about them. seth’s gimmicks are just better. but they’re still gimmicks.

932

I still do not believe that Seth is unfair. I don’t think Sagat is unfair either. Compared to top tier chars in other games like 3S the top tier in SF4 is not that bad at all. Sagat actually has to do lots of different things in different situations unlike Chun in 3s where all you really need is kara throw and cr.mk. Maybe my evaluation of 3s is bad because I suck at it, but I’m just trying to make an analogy anyway.

And there is a huge difference between being overpowered and ban-worthy. You didn’t just say that Seth was unfair, you basically said that I shouldn’t be allowed to play him because he’s like HDR Akuma unfair. Chars like Yun and Chun in 3s are powerful but that’s just how games turn out. And if anything Seth and Sagat are weaker than Yun and Chun are in 3s.

Allen and raeli already made my arguments for me considering your evidence and Seth being broken.

You and I both know that article doesn’t mean anything. A comment made by one guy at Capcom who didn’t work on the console release.

What do you mean “I started my stubborn shit?” I didn’t yell at you at all. If anything you were the one who got upset. You even said “You can disagree with me, but you’re still wrong.” You didn’t make one real point about how Seth was broken. You even said he has no bad matchups, and that’s just flat out not true. Best poking game in the game? Better than Sim? Please. That’s not even worth addressing. Point is, you got flustered when I disagreed with you and you started saying things that were pretty ridiculous to back up your argument. And that’s how an argument works, one person uses logic to establish something and the other person critiques those points and brings up counterpoints to get a different result. I was never unwilling to change my mind, you just never convinced me.

I’m not even saying Seth isn’t broken. I would love to have Seth be broken so I could ride that shit to the win. But as of right now I can’t say definitively that Seth is broken. Seth gets away with a lot of scrubby things, but he needs it because his footsies and health are ass. Maybe one day I’ll figure out how to make Seth broken and I’ll agree with you, but I just don’t see it. I’m not “lying to myself.” I’d be lying to myself if I agreed with you and apologized just to make this argument go away.

Of course I’m biased. I play Seth. I never said I wasn’t. And I know I’m stubborn. I also know I’m not as good a player as you. But that doesn’t mean that I’m necessarily wrong.

If anything you said in this post was reasonable and made me want to reconsider what you said, this last part just threw all that work out the window. You’ll “make my life in this thread miserable?” That’s really immature Glenn. Now how can anyone read that last part and not get the idea that you have a vendetta against me?

You act like I come in here and say stupid random things every week. I mean, I used to, yeah. But now I only post in Greenland about hookups. I didn’t go out of my way to say that Seth is totally fair. I only responded to your comment in person specifically because you were saying that Seth shouldn’t be allowed in tournaments, which directly affects me.

I’m not going anywhere. You are the only person who has called me out. From all I can tell, everyone else seems to think I’m a pretty chill guy. And no, I’m not here because of my association with Ben. That’s what got me in the door, but it was my ability to improve and bring a unique character to the table that got people to want to play me. You think Rex encourages me because I’m Ben’s friend? Nah, he does it because he wants more competition and he thinks that I have the potential to get better.

Man, I would love to drop this so much. I tried hard to just ignore it, but Glenn brought it up literally like seven times in the last month. I didn’t want to make this personal, I didn’t even want to make it an issue. Like I said before, I just want to play Street Fighter 4.

933

word. save the shittalking for hype purposes. reading (and hell even participating) in repetitive, same shit different day arguments is really getting old.

ya’ll niggas need to relax and just fucking PLAY.

“Some players gotta play.”

934

that’s it.

time to play some fighting games mother fuckers.

935

all the work i had to do to view that gif ramen (because it doesn’t allow hotlinking)

left me sadly disappointed.

936

ken’s dp is godlike, your trippin. MP dp might be the best anti air dp in the game, angle is perfect.

what time is everyone heading over tommorow?

937

mp dp is great, but the rest leave things to be desired. honestly, ssf4 needs to def fix his frame data a good bit. ryu can throw a whiff DP from just outside of sweep range as a bait and not get punished, and ken can’t? lol

like, ken’s a watered down version of ryu + akuma, but they didn’t give him anything amazing compared to the other two. i mean, he’s flashy, which is cool, but his fireball lags behind… which is fine, it works in a pinch, but… his DP and hurricane kick being far worse than either is like… pathetic.

938

i dunno, his hurricane opens his game up. ken can win a match with one combo and then one geuss, hes really really good. If he wasnt the “third shoto” he would be higher in tiers, counter hit fp dp fadc ultra does huge damage. Just gotta play frame traps/kara throw game with him, hes better than a large part of the cast imo. I will play ken in the next round robin and show you guys whats up :stuck_out_tongue:

939

first off, never did i say seth was ban worthy. if you heard me correctly, i said if i had a choice, i wouldnt play against a seth or gouken. you cant deny that.

second, i know you didnt yell at me. did i ever say you yelled? stop lying and saying that i said you did. your hook up persona and your online persona = hella wack. say one thing in person, then false statements online. be consistent.

third, like i said before, your opinion about seth’s pokes are your own. also going by seth posts by srk players doesnt prove shit. now personally talking to someone who matters (ie. rahsaan from empire arcadia shit even i read somewhere from arturo/sabin), ill go by way more than what YOU have to tell me. albeit, you have the right to express how YOU feel about seth.

sorry to bring someone into this, but oh well, i get bashed later. sorry you dont think seth is up there with sagat. here’s a thought, probably cuz you play inconsistently. like aks would tell me, “mr. k plays like a fucking idiot”. as i mentioned in an earlier post, you are going off by your play style.

ok, as long as you admitted you are biased AND stubborn, we are good. i never wanted you to apologize about seth. that’s an opinion which ive stated almost always that ppl are entitled to them. about being biased and stubborn, that i wanted you to. apologizing for putting words in my mouth that i never said would have also ben nice, but ill go with what im given.

you dont think ive given you props? fucking rex himself can vouch ive said nothing but good shit about you. im even dead positive you’ve seen me post about my 2 up and comers in the past (luger and yourself) so dont even say i thought otherwise although your spot has been replaced atm moment.

only opinion that matters about seth is aks atm and rex. honestly, kiet doesnt know enough shit for an opinion to consider and raeli is one of those knowledgable katz that doesnt show it in game.

my goal is not for ppl to change their minds about one thing to another. it is to realize that with enough evidence, that it opens one’s view of “such and such” possibility and to at least acknowledge the fact of it.

p.s - it is because of kaal that you are here. dont even lie. i know there is even a post you admitting to it. “opening the door” is pretty much beating around the bush.

940

yeah, I love the Tatsu mixup, but the problem is that the mixup off of that is really shallow.

He can either DP, throw, do nothing or try to do another combo into a hurricane kick

only problem is there are characters that can get out of this mixup for free (akuma, ryu, and sagat with meter can just DP FADC backdash and they’ll be safe every time, EX messiah, ultra even, i mean, shit, I can think of a million things that own that mixup for free) so unless Ken spends meter (EX DP) your opponent really has no reason to play along.

It’s not like Rufus’s mixup where if you guess wrong you’re getting pushed into a disadvantageous position, because Ken doesn’t get any corner combos of note, and his damage potential (outside of jumpin combos, meter combos, and srk fadc full ultra) is pretty laughable.

I think Mago said it best when he said Rufus was ‘a better Ken with less redundant tools’, or something to that effect.

Yeah, when Ken’s on a hot streak, he can wreck people hard, but he’s all risk-low reward. His most damaging whiffpunish combo is pretty hot, but it takes a stock to do (stand roundhouse, ex dp) and doesn’t give you any positional advantage, which is really important, considering ken’s footsy game.