"Not fat enough? We can fix that!" Rufus Match-up Thread

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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doesnt this thread include the new characters on the first post?

Rufus vs. Juri could probably be 6-4 Juris favour. She could keep rufus out quite easily with all her fireballs, and you cant tornado them aswell, atleast not the high and low ones, and the high/ex is very good AA fb’s aswell. cr.HP is quite okay at times here while she’s restoring and shooting fireballs, but never do it to often since its slow and you might eat a divekick. If you time correctly your cr.MP would beat her divekicks.

Rufus vs. Sakura is probably 5.5 or 6 in Sakuras favour, i’ll write more about this later…

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Funny because I played a friend who has decent Juri this morning(played him a lot of times) and we were discussing about this match up. He was wondering if the match up wouldn’t be in Juri’s favor and I told him I didn’t know, but at worst it would be even or in Rufus’ favor. Now, reading what you wrote(and knowing you know much more about rufus than I do), I wonder.

Indeed if you get a knockdown you can kill juri quite fastly, especially in the corner. But getting a knockdown is hard, because of her fireball and divekick, as you wrote it. You can t really jump on her because her j.mp is godlike(breaks everything rufus has) and leads to massive damage(possibly Ultra 2).

Once you get a knockdown, you have to guess if she’s going to TP, because if she teleports, you’re on your way to begin the chase all over again(which is the difficult part of the fight).
So maybe 5.5-4.5, due to massive damage juri can inflict.

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idk about sakura having any advantage against rufus. She actually can zone Rufus with fireballs and lp shoryukens, and option select c.hp, but there’s still no way its at the very least even. I have played a few good sakuras (only online however), and i really can’t see sakura winning the match. Once she is knocked down she has no reliable way to get out, juri at least has EX pinwheel and her parry move. I’m gonna have to say it’s 6-4 rufus, but I like the discussion.

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Rufus vs Sakura is definitely 6-4 in Rufus’ favor. All of her reversals are very slow, therefore dive kick pressure is easy to maintain (delayed dive kicks can easily throw off her cr.hp). Once she’s in the corner, there is very little that she can do to escape without taking a big risk or burning three bars of EX meter. You can’t ignore the major difference in stamina too.

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both me and SkatanMilla from sweden feels that its Sakuras favour, maybe 5.5 to Sak… Maybe i am abit wrong tho, and Skatan also said that;

She has good answers for most of his stuff. she can stop divekicks with st.hp/c.hp/j.mp.
And ofc she can stop divekick pressure with cr.hp option select.
Rufus j.hk loses or trades with j.mp so you dont have to worry about that…
and she has good punish on his cr.hp with focus dash, cr.mk x hp sho on all ranges.
Better footsies and normals than rufus and she also stuns like hell and does good damage, so Rufus gotta be careful if he eats a combo
She also has good pressure upclose vs. Rufus and her xup okizeme works good aswell.

Im not to familiar with the matchup but I feel its quite hard, heres two different matches where i play his Sakura @ DreamHack Summer, first matches are Rufus vs. Sakura

Semi Finals:
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Grand Finals:
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Once you notice the opponent is OSing with low fierce, if you can bait it and block, its extremely punishable. JWong used cr. lp xx ex gt when he was baiting Lamerboi’s Guile’s low fierce OS, but against Guile or Sakura, you can just reversal u1, or reversal u2 if you’re against a Ryu using it, it’s that unsafe.

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Fuck Sagat! Fuck Sagat! Fuck Sagat!

Seriously, what’s wrong with this match up!!!
You can’t jump, ever, unless you guess a bad timed TS. You can’t even n.jump full screen then dive because of kara TK.
Any hint on this one? I know the basics, and I can beat random sagats, but top Sagats give me a lot of trouble. All I can do is: walk forwrd, crouch to block TS, walk forward, crouch to block, etc…
I cannot GT to get closer because if I do I eat TU or worse, ultra. I cannot dive unless he’s knocked down, and the only option to get on him is to guess correctly a mistimed TS. Obviously if I do not guess right, fast recovery of Sagat’s TS make me eat a counterhit TU, which hurts.
Not to mention TK pressure during round one, which can last until I get an EX bar(and then I have to guess right).
U2 is absolutely useless because Sagat will not throw random TS once I have him and the match up seems even worst from this moment because Sagat will wait and punish any attempt to get close.

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Find the range where you can reaction cr. hp high tiger shots, if he has to use low tiger shots he’s committing himself to more recovery frames, and making himself more vulnerable to predictive jump fierces and/or divekicks from the apex of the forward jump arc. You shouldn’t be as worried about TK pressure anymore in this game since single-hit TKs all do about half as much damage or less (it’s the oki that Sagat gets that is the issue now, instead of the actual hits). You can reaction stuff some tiger knees with cr. mp, and if you’re predominantly holding back when Sagat tries to go into “TK mode”, you can force some tiger knees to whiff due to stepping backwards, and punish with cr. mk xx EX GT, or force some tiger knees to become unsafe and get a really easy safe jump post-punish combo from either of those possibilities. If Sagat is zoning you really hardcore, don’t be afraid to go to full screen and build ultra and/or get free meter by LP/MP snake striking over low/high tiger shots, respectively. Don’t forget throws, divekicks, focus absorb backdash, and LK messiah under tiger knee pressure, too, depending on the normals and patterns he’s using in his pressure strings - try to recreate some of the patterns in training mode and see if any of the options can beat them. Those are all pretty high risk options to get out of the pressure, though if you guess right it significantly turns the tide in your favor; just don’t be predictable. Tiger knees do way, way, way less chip damage now, too, so don’t be afraid to just block them and let Sagat take the risks instead.

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Like Kourck said, knee isnt as safe as it used to be so take advantage of that. He can still Tiger shot TK trap you when you try to jump fireballs. I would be content to absorb them until you have a U2 locked and loaded. Once you have it Sagat will think twice about that zoning game and will end up being sorry he gave you two U2s in a round. U2 isn’t useless because it’s doing exactly what you want it to, shutting down his zoning. You just have to be very patient getting in and basically turtle in his face. Get comfortable with buffering U2. I like to buffer it behind whiffed med range dive kicks and cr.fp and cr.hk pokes. Find the matches AcidicEnema played against some Japanese Sagat’s. Also, Louie vs Alioune. All of those are in the vids are in the vid thread. Patience is key

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Well, I made some improvements in the MU, by being patient and almost never jump unless I’m really close to Sagat(I’m talking about a specific Sagat, because most of them won’t bother me), so he can’t TU on reaction.
Still I take U1. I land it much more often than U2, and, most important, I never throw it in the “Wong/Gamerbee” style.
This U2 is really really really a pain because of that. Too easy to bait.

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They can only do two of them… they cant do it all day. They do a LK scissor’s link, another and then your far enough away for both of you to have a guessing game. IF your having trouble you can back dash out of the LK Scissor’s link (the second one)

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I play my friends bison all the time and you do have options, but it is more like a rock paper scissor game than anything else.

In the middle of the screen, after a blocked scissors, bison can do cr. lk cr. lk scissors, which you can simply hold back and walk away from it, you’ll walk right out of range of his lk. Don’t try to ex messiah this, he’ll just block it, you’ll waste a stock, and if he has ultra 1 (which all bison’s should be using in this match up) you’ll eat a raw ultra unless you fadc backdash, which he’ll then punish you with a st rh.

He can do st. rh after a blocked scissors, which is also bested by simply holding back and walking away or you can get gutsy and use stand strong to beat it.

Or he can throw out another scissors, which you can beat by doing fierce tornado or a stand strong (these are both risky, but if you guess right once, it will help to stop bison from doing this later, ex messiah also works here, but you risk losing a stock because it will typically catch him in the air and only do one hit).

One of my main goals is the stop them from doing the cr. lk cr. lk, if you can, you get to jump away, jump straight up and dive, or ex messiah more.

The corner is where things get stupid:

You can no longer walk back, so you are forced to deal with the lk’s, it is in your best interest to just wait it out. As stated earlier, ex messiah should not be used against his cr. lk’s, you don’t want to jump because you will get hit by rh and then reset back into cr. lk games, and you don’t want to press a button because you will outright get stuffed. The best thing you can do is be patient, most bison’s will try and predict your jump and rh all on their own, giving you enough space to press stand mp, or try for a messiah. He will eventually push himself out of range, giving you just enough room to breath and get yourself out of the corner.

For this match you just have to realize that you will end up eating a lot of chip damage. As always, watch out for throw attempts. Crouch teching against bison is pretty good as long as you can get into the same rhythm as their cr. lk. strings. Just try and do some really late techs because he can mix everything up into cr. mk or st fierce.

And for Guy, I have been having a lot of luck with stand fierce. If he flips at you, stand fierce (the close version) will cleanly stuff him. As Gerjay said, you beat him on the ground pretty cleanly, taking away his air to ground options leave him at a heavy disadvantage. And if you knock him down, try doing a fairly high cross up dive kick against him, it will blow right past his ex up kicks on wake up for a free punish.

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good tips for mirror match?

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What’s the best way to deal with a good dudley? I just don’t know what to do against blocked MGP.

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Dudley’s options are very limited as to how he can get in. I find that zoning him out with st strong and sweeps works pretty well. You can beat his jump ins with cr. mp pretty cleanly, you just have to work on the timing. If you can land either a cr. mp or a sweep, you can get a free chance to mix up. Cr mp anti can be followed up with a walk forward throw, a short dive, walk forward messiah, or walk forward block. The only real threat he has to counter these options are ex upper or ultra. You get even more mix ups once you land a sweep.

As for his mgbs, if you block a lp mgb, Dudley is at -2. Rufus cannot punish this because his fastest move, cr. jab, is 4 frames. Dudley also ends up outside of your throw range, so a 3 frame throw isn’t very helpful either. Some Dudley’s will do something risky after this has been blocked, like an ultra or ex upper in attempt to catch you for counterpoking. If you block it, you’ll get to land a big combo. Others will know you are blocking and throw out a cr. jab or whatever back into pressure strings. You are free to ex messiah here, but just beware that it isn’t always the best idea.

As for his mp fp and ex mgbs, all of them are punishable on block. you can cr. jab into ex tornado all three of them. Mp mgb is only -4 on block (making it the hardest one to do) fp is -5 (not as bad) then ex mgb is -8, you can punish this one with cr. mk into ex tornado if you are feeling gutsy. Just a few times in training mode and you’ll get a feel for which mgb was done and which punish you can use.

As for his pressure game, once you get knocked down, you can throw him out of a lot of his wake up options, mainly his overhead, but you can also throw him out of his ducking dash forward move. Or feel free to ex messiah these options too.

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Hey everyone, I made a new Match-up thread. Try to post in there from now on, ill be updating it daily and posting on there daily. Id love people to contribute so Please do!

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