I think this postand pretty much everything else you spit out on the linked thread says more than anything I could to address your agenda and sanity level.
Where the hell does it say he made it all up? I checked the post and found nothing of which you speak.
I brought up specific aspects of past fighting games and named a player which specialized in said aspects. Listing a player such as MOV just shows how completely ignorant you are to the issue I raised. Newer fighting games lessen the emphasis on fundamentals like zoning so lets go and bring up a person who detests zoning as a perfect example… idiot. Also all the players you listed know what I’m talking about and respect Kuroda because they know.
You kids can call SF2 a slow and easy game, but it’s the epitome of fundamentals. After SF2, games just continued to bury fundamentals through innovation in not just move sets but the introduction of new systems (and then subsystems) and engine features.
Strong words from an 09er. I’m not turning anyone into a god, just trying to educate you new players on the differences between the past and present, but it’s clear to me that you’re mad.
It doesn’t surprise me that Elton has a '10 join date as well. Troll topic?
Have you never played fighting games in your life? Most top players didn’t take SF4 seriously but entered tournaments for the easy money and recognition. Sanford didn’t take Marvel seriously for the past half decade and there was a chance he might not even have went to EVO but he went and won MvC2 EVO (Justin wasn’t taking it seriously either and won the EVO after).
You must be a little kid if you think that just because someone does something, or is even good at it, that said person automatically takes it seriously. Take an introductory class in logic if you still cannot understand.
Where does he actually quote someone by name for that ridiculous story? Kinda odd that no one stepped up to disprove what everyone has said about Tomo and others like this besides this joker.
Lol “said aspects”. Kuroda, specializes in defense, not zoning (yes they are different). It’s true he has strong fundamentals. However the required fundamentals change from game to game. So this this idea that he could simply pick up ST or another game, and win at it is ridiculous.
He may or may not detest zoning, not that I believe or care about it to be perfectly honest. Nice of you to ignore the other players I listed too…Idiot.
Why does it even matter when I joined, or when Elton joined? You have no way of knowing how long I have played.
As for educating new players. Lol, where have you even done that? All you’ve done is talk about how great SF2 fundamentals are and by contrast, how lacking new games are in fundamentals, without even realizing that a new game often requires a new set of fundamentals might I add.
Not really. Do you give enough of a shit to set people straight over the internet about people from 20 years ago? I know I wouldn’t
Only reason I even posted here was because that dummy got the original thread locked before I got a chance to post there. He posted the same stuff in the thread I linked, along with some other fun responses that I’ll let speak for themselves.
Listen bernie, i know its hard to accept that something you held as a truth for so long might not be true. Of course you’re going to react and lash out and i dont blame you, but let me assure you that my post is the real story of sf2 that certain people dont want you to hear.
You have to understand that the majority of what we know comes from a couple of very biased sources. Jeff Plumber ( i refuse to call him shaeffer ), watson who is a little more balanced and one or 2 others. This heavily constructed narrative has been further disseminated by their followers. There arent opposing views cos the majority of players from that era arent interested anymore, many are unaware of what is being said, or simply couldnt give a damn. There are others however who do care and that is where i come in.
You dont have to believe what i say and frankly i dont care. This topic is spoken about A LOT behind closed doors. A lot of people cannot believe the crap Jeff spouts but arent the type to go public. Iv been around for many years, i’ve travelled the world and my sources are accurate. They lived this shit, breathed it. They are also shy and retiring. I wish i could name them but i cant and i have to respect their wishes.
I’m just a humble vessel, a medium and the guy willing to take the inevitable shit storm, for this slightly different version of events. You say why should people believe me, but by the same token, why believe other people’s version of events blindly. At least keep an open mind.
I would also say that it’s very telling that people havent come out to bat for jeff and tomo. Perhaps certain points im making ring true for some people? If you want to keep believing the world is flat then fine, but at least defend your views or argue intelligently against mine instead of lying and spitting venom.
True Sepiroth is a prime example of someone who has been drip fed jeff’s perspective on things and repeats it like a parrot. On every thread he is there acting like an authority on the golden era but he only knows what he has cobbled together from srk and the fanciful stories on Jeff’s youtube page.
Let me tell you, that is not the complete story, that is not truth or a window into the golden age. That is a constructed version of events, just as the news we watch isnt a window to the world. It is one persons take on events.
Most people just faded into obscurity, we dont see thomas osaki making vids every week on youtube but people like jeff plumber cant let it go. He is pleading with us not to forget him, forcing his greatness down our throat instead of going out there and proving it, playing the game and making new stories and legends. He has a passion for the game that much is evident but he doesnt play, at least not publically. It must burn him up, he craves recognition but his ego would not allow him to continue playing. He would give it all to be the evo champ but he didnt have it in him. He prefers to guard his legacy by way of smoke and mirrors, partial truths and talking about his greatness. How does that prove anything.
Jeff was a great player at the time, but those were simpler times, less demanding times. Jeff and tomo were like old fashioned martial arts practitioners, masters of karate, the best in that world but unable to transition into a world where fighters are well versed in a number of disciplines ie MMA.
Could Tomo and Jeff have been good in the later games, yes very much so. Would they have been the best, undoubtedly no and they knew it. They sensed it, they experienced the losses and they were not willing to play second fiddle. Better to quit whilst the legacy is intact and fair play, but then dont expect the public to swallow a pack of lies.
As iv said before, Mike watson is the living dinosaur that allows us to peer into that mysterious world. Mike is a very decent player, perhaps journeyman isnt entirely fair as tarkan pointed out, but is he a Daigo, a muteki, a kurahashi, an Aniken, a Yuuvega, a shooting D, a Komoda. Undoubtedly no. And since Tomo and mike were almost evenly matched, the same can surely go for Tomo.
Given the way these guys abilities have been spoken of, mysterious tactics long forgotten and consigned to history, “advanced footsies” LOL, we would expect mike to be the love child of daigo and muteki with a little bit of bruce lee thrown in for good measure.
But he isnt is he and lets not forget Mike transitioned into Superturbo at the peak of his prowess.
Every viable tactic is known and used in ST. If it isnt used, it isnt viable. We have disected the game engine, counted every frame. We have naturally gifted players who practice 8 hours a day and who are exposed to a vast pool of knowledge.
What we see today represents the pinaccle of SF2 play. Moreover we dont have to rely on myth and superstition, we have the videos to prove it.
Cool story, boss. I got an open mind too. Just that I don’t believe some random that peddles a completely different take on things that many others can’t confirm without any proof, especially if you weren’t there first hand. Who gave you that info and why are they relevant? Why should you be relevant for that matter? You want so badly to disprove the established beliefs here for whatever reason - shouldn’t the burden of proof be on you?
In your heart of hearts is this play as good as the jap kings of ST?
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I think alot of players forget this. Odd as that may be. What’s also important to remember is that a few players have been playing since WW, like Shooting D for example. To put it simply, if 15+ years ain’t enough to fully understand a game, then no amount of time is.
I accept my inability to name my sources is a problem. There is nothing i can do about that. I decided to get the story out anyway and let people make their own minds up and also hope it gives strength to some people who want to speak out.
But behind the different take on events is a logical argument and in the absence of video footage that is the best we have.
Surely logic is better than “im the best, you just dont know how good i was, trust me” etc
You may think im a fool and a random etc but honestly in this world of lies and deception im the best friend you have.
WTF are you talking about? You say you got that info from someone that was there at the time. If you can’t quote who claims this, how can anyone take you seriously? It’s not about “logic”, it’s about you painting a different picture than what everyone else sees.
I think I’m done here.
Not person, people!!
I cant quote them because they dont want me to quote them and i respect that.
It was my idea to go public with this info, i dont care if it’s believed or not i just knew when i heard it that i had to put it out there.
Since your work is done, see ya later bernie. Say hi to jeff and the boys and dont drop off the edge of the planet.
From a logical standpoint, having no sources doesn’t really help your argument. Much as I dislike Jeff’s glorified nostalgic crap, atleast he can confirm that he was there.
Yeah i accept the weakness of my position, i already stated that. When i refer to logic i mean using mike watson as a measuring stick, and other stuff.
For me it was a case of running with it or not posting at all.
Anyway i think im done here. Im gonna leave this to run and let people fight it out.
I like how Elton writes this big long fanfic and then gets banned in another thread for being a crazy tool.
I don’t know anything about any of this and enjoy the perspective. In MvC2, I know friends that would slack for a month and their execution skills would plummet to hell that fast. Skill at one time is skill at that time. There’s tons of people who are beastly for a day and then just lose the rhythm. shrug
thank you.
thank you.
and more thank youz to ElderGOD, for saying what every 30-40 year old was thinking to themselves after reading that Magna Carta long shitpost that Elton Chong’s keyboard vomited out.
Hey guys so I hear back in the day the best players of all time all played the same game at the same time but now they’re all retired and noone will ever be as good as they were on that one game in whatever respective game we’re playing today can I get any confirmation on this rumour?
Confirmed!
no really, imo, i think most of the OGs just plain got sick of it.
there is such a thing as having too much of a good thing.
personally, i, as someone who spent thousands of quarters at the arcades and got the 3 snes versions of SF2(like everyone else did in those days), become nauseous at the notion of playing SF2.
did it.
done it…
so did everyone else circa 1991-1995, you just get sick of it.
therefore, done with it.
no one from my generation still plays Pac-Man, Space Invaders, Q-Bert, or Donkey Kong,
not because we are rusty at 'em, or cuz “those game suck”, but because we’re just exhausted from having played the death out of them.
but the notion that the OGs of those early nineties weren’t the best ever at SF is ludicrous.
whether they were ranked or not, tourny players or not, is meaningless.
The best players were from that era.
look, there were only 3 notable fighting games in that time, from what i remember.
Fatal Fury1
Mortal Kombat1
and SF2 with its later iterations.
everyone played SF2, some people played MK, and almost no one played FF.
and if you didn’t want to stand behind a 10 man line in front of a cabinet’s stick…you’d better learn to be good at SF… and quick!!!
you’d better win just to be allowed to keep playing.
our generation learned not from taking frames/data apart using a PC or watching YT, but with playtime,…we learned shit like:
Balrog’s one hit/punch K.O
Chun Li’s inverted spinning wheel kick from the top of the screen after a wall jump
charging Guile’s sonic boom/kick by spamming jab punch/short kick while right next to the opponent
Guile being able to thrust knee past his own slow sonic boom and able to knock himself out/or just get hit
Dhalsim being able to knock himself out(or just get hit) by his own projectile using teleport
air thowing Vega after he jumps off his fence in Spain stage
Ryu’s invincibility frame in his first spin of his heavy spin kick
info like this is common knowledge now(thx to the internet+vids) but we had no internet those days…at least it wasn’t anything like it is now…we had to figure this shit out now through countless hours of playtime+competing…
and a troll like Elton Chong coming out and saying that the players of the past were overrated because of fact that they’re “legends due only to heresay…cuz there’s no video of anyone from that era.” shit is nutz.
come’n now.
nigga pleaz.
thats like me saying Alexander the Great was never a great general cuz there’s no video of him conquering Persia.
com’n now,
nigga wut?
nigga who?
nigga pleaz.
B serious.