New to Hakan ... help appreciated ^__^

EMPEROR_COW · 2011-10-10T09:00:32.000Z

hey guys … i love the new changes !! …
still personally i would have wished for one or both of the following buffs.

make st.HP an overhead to force opponents to stand …
make his grabs 2 framers like gief and thawk … i dont understand why its 3 frames (so annoying) …

apart from that im happy with the changes … start up oil and jump over dives are gonna be awesome to say the least.

im still working on my hakan (i havent given up … just decided to keep radio scilence till im at a more respectable level … lol ) …

i have to say … my biggest struggle with him right now is his wake up … and how to keep the hakan momentum once u start with the pressure … can be tough vs some of the cast …

i got used to the akward anti-airing (or not for that matter) … f.MP or even cr.HP or slider to make things whiff can drive people mad

i still get the occasional excecution mind fuck … but its gradually getting less and less and im proud of that … (hes doing what i want him to do now … lol ) … still i feel like theres alot to learn with him … i might start testing him out on ranked …

Dontdodat · 2011-10-12T19:00:46.000Z

Over heads arn’t necessary when you have a command throw honestly, it beats the same things and more. Standing Fierce is just a good punish for back dashes and focus attacks.

Waking up with Hakan can indeed be tough, but SSFIV is very much about just guessing accurately. If you get knocked down, assess the situation in that brief moment to decide which option offers the best outcome in the event of failure. For example: I’m not going to crouch tech Ryu on my wake up near the corner if he has EX meter of any amount. Instead I’ll block down-back and eat an overhead or at worst a throw for my incorrect guess.

As far as pressure is concerned, if you can stay oily near an opponent I think that in itself is good enough pressure. As long as you are oily you can abuse saving attacks and dash ins better than most characters. Samurai Drew’s pressure tutorial emphasis centers around being fearless. Don’t be afraid to burn some meter to stay close and put the opponent into long strings that discourage jumping so you can oil rocket them.

I’m sure you’ll be fine.

Jason_Wu · 2012-03-01T13:47:29.000Z

Hey, good to see you on here, and trying out Hakan aswell!

I’ll give this a go, hopefully some other kind folks can put some input in aswell

Yeah, there’s a ton. One thing with AE is that lp slide was given a faster startup, meaning a lot of the setups using it didn’t work. You can find a bunch on this website, it’s based on super but a little messing in training can help you figure them out http://www.hitcombo.com/1news/hakan-oil-ceo/

Sadly the oil dive setups dont work on yun/yang boo…but the same rules apply to oni and e.ryu as for everyone else. The characters they never work on are, blanka, cammy, dhalsim, honda, yun, yang…might be one more cant remember

Yuns annoying…but I think you can make it really difficult for him. You need to disrespect him and not feel afraid to SPD if you feel the divekick is unsafe. If he’s getting grabbed he’ll want to jump/divekick spam, so you can put airgrab to good use. Not the greatest advice i know but im no expert on the match. Liquigen probably knows it best maybe he can give you some help. You can use cr.mp against divekicks aswell when spacing against him.

I think Hakan can beat anyone without struggling too much, but my least favourite matchups are Honda, probably Hawk and Gief. You can do well against Gief…but Gief, he just scares me. Haha. The knockdown thing leaving him probably aids you, cos if you choose ultra 1 he has to be REAL careful when he’s going for green hand mixups

Coward crouch is great. In the video thread theres a guy called Datui fighting a guy player; he uses CC to hide under the elbow drop, and goes into ultra 1. Pretty sweet. Coward crouch is godlike against Fei. It will go under Chicken wings and you can punish with slide, lk oil dive, cr.mk. You can do it against viper burn kicks aswell, there’s actually a CC thread round here listing everything it works against, need to find it.

The tutorial thing sounds great…I’ve been wanting to do one for a while, but unfortunately don’t have the equipment to do a decent quality one, which is a shame. Anyway yeah, hope this info helps you out a little

The kind Samurai drew kinda answered this, but opponents with forward wake-ups you can bait your oil dive by charging. As soon as he or she wakes up, they are going to either ultra or some special move. Use coward crouch (d + all puches). Be careful with this, if they didnt bite your vulnerable for a couple of frames. Hope this helps!