All the animals with boxing gloves/all the SF1 characters. And Sawada.
Making fun of sexual harassment isn’t cool, especially because as men, you’ll never have to deal with it on a level like Miranda did. Being a personal friend of hers, it really pissed me off that so many people on the steam chat tagged alongside Aris, as he continuously treated her like a piece of meat. That’s not funny, it’s disgusting.
With that said, I’ve never had an issue like that with you all. You’re all great. Except Pat, because he really sucks. 
Eric is pretty free too.
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I don’t think you realize exactly how hot I am. Plus a classy cane like mine brings all the ladies to the yard.
which Eric? -___-
Finally…alts worth buying…
Also is it just me or does this T-Rex look like he’s checking out dat ass?
EDIT: Sorry but can’t do games tonight. Eric and I were discussing a big, multi-console practice/casual session tomorrow…maybe starting around 5ish. Would people be down for something like that?
You don’t find this generalization a bit ironic? What exactly makes a man immune to sexual harassment or denigration?
If I trust anybody to talk about sexual harassment toward men, it’s Eric.
I’d like to cock slap Aris in the face for that dumb shit he tried to say about the FGC.
i’ld like to cock slap miranda in the face for rage quiting… or for other reasons
Youre just mad she stole your shtick. OG rage quitter
I don’t post here very often, but this is Antoine.
Eric, I know you don’t consider yourself sexist, but sexual harassment is an emotional topic and if you’re not careful, you can offend those who think you’re taking a callous position on it.
When your response is this: “I’m 100% sure that if Aris said what he said to a dude there would be no controversy. Conclusion: it’s only sexual harassment if you’re a girl.”
You’re implying that her claims of sexual harassment are invalid, and in fact, that you believe women are prone to claiming sexual harassment when there’s no reason to do so because they’re just all overly sensitive political correct frail creatures. There’s a clear difference between how things are interpreted when said to women or men. So yes, maybe if the things Aris said to a guy wouldn’t have been controversial. Context matters a lot. If you tell me you’re going to rape me, I’ll know you’re joking because I know you and because I’ve got male privilege on my side. If you tell a girl I’m going to rape you, and you don’t know her very well and vice versa, of course it’s interpreted differently. I know this is an extreme example of word choice, but even if what Aris said to her was to lesser degree than that, it’s still not okay. Also, if she felt harassed by it, then you can’t tell her how she feels, she gets to decide that.
Christina then said this: "Making fun of sexual harassment isn’t cool, especially because as men, you’ll never have to deal with it on a level like Miranda did."
On your second response, when you say: “You don’t find this generalization a bit ironic? What exactly makes a man immune to sexual harassment or denigration?”
You are once again speaking from a position of male privilege. So yes, you are factually correct that men are not immune to sexual harassment, but when you use this in response to Christina talking about how painful this is and how men will never deal with sexual harassment the same way that women do, she’s absolutely fucking correct. One out of six men do not get raped, one out of four men do not get molested. Your response, and I’m guessing this wasn’t intended, belittles how the world in general is sexist, and women have to deal with this shit every god damn day. And when we say the world is sexist, we’re not just talking about making poor jokes about gender, we’re talking about the rape, the harassment, the lower pay rates and employment discrimination that affect women disproportionally more than men by orders of magnitude.
I hate to blow up at you, Eric, and I’m really not trying to just prove a point for Political Correctness-sake. And I really do think you seem like a nice, all-around caring guy. What you said isn’t horrible either. I’m just trying to outline why I think your statements could be interpreted as offensive to Christina and other people.
I used to sexually harass women on stream, until I took an arrow to the knee.
You obviously put a lot of thought into this, and I thank you for all those words you put in my mouth.
I never said women were “frail,” I just find this double standard infuriating.
When I’m at a major I hear the words “fag” “homo” and worse (all male-oriented epithets) thrown around liberally. Why is that okay, but an isolated incident involving some inbred bearded fuckhead incites such a strong reaction?
I think I was pretty careful in copy and pasting what were your exact words and what I believe the interpretations of your words could be. I’m not trying to be disingenuous about this, I’m truly trying to have a dialogue. I am open to talking about these things, not just trying to prove a cheap point or play a gotcha game. I don’t think I was off-base in stating how your words could interpreted, but if I am, man, lets talk about it. You did not say ‘frail,’ I did in interpreting the way your words came across. I own up to that and I stand by how your words can be interpreted, irregardless of the the more subtle, level-headed intentions you may have had.
The double-standard is there because there already is one in place that makes being a woman harder than being male. As I referred to before in my previous post, that although you are correct that males are not impervious to sexual harassment, it happens on a much, much smaller scale. This does not mean that it’s okay; sexually harassing males is still fucked up, but it much more common with women. The chances of us knowing a guy who got raped is pretty slim, but chances are, we all know women who have been raped. Women we know are harassed every day when they take the bus, they are harassed when they walk down the streets, and they are made to feel unwelcome in typically male-dominated fields and places. Context matters and for the most part, they can be casually harassed everywhere, and when they’re in a place they want to be that’s typically male dominated, it’s just one more place where the world is still fucking awful - even when it involves something they love and want to get good at.
Secondly, when you’re at a major and you hear ‘fag’ or ‘homo’, it’s not actually okay. It’s actually very wrong that this is the standard. The thing is, we all have ways of describing this behavior. We’d call it immature, homophobic douchbaggery. It’s actually a bad thing that this is a norm in the fighting game scene. I’ll also add, that once again, context matters. If you call me a fag, I understand that it’s become a derogatory word that’s become disconnected from being a derogatory term for gay people, and since we’re friends, I’ll let it slide but I’m not happy you said it. It still isn’t okay. I’m not thrilled it’s still used like this. It’s the behavior of immature youths who don’t consider their words very well.
Also, if you were to tell any of us, “hey man, I’m really not cool with you calling me a fag or homo,” ideally, we should back the fuck off. I’m sure if you told people that sincerely here, because we’re all friends, we’d totally respect any request like that, but we should also respect such a request from anyone who says this sincerely.
As for the bearded fuckhead inciting a strong reaction, I guess we’d have to clarify what you’re discussing. Are you talking about the strong media reaction? I think there’s probably a few reasons, but the biggest one being that it was so visible. We could be calling each other Near-Sighted Gynecologists all day in our local scene, but it won’t make a peep. But the Fighting Game Community has been growing steadily since the last dark decade, and now we’re gaining more visibility than ever due to the internet streaming and archiving. Aris was one of the faces of the FGC in one of the most public events we ever had, and it’s clouded by the sexism and the fact that he believes it’s an ingrained part of the community. I think he was referring to something else when he said that sexism was an inherent part of the FGC. I think he was talking about the fact that we shouldn’t baby people and that insults and such are kind of par for the course. I think we all know what Aris was really trying to say, but what ended up out there, were his words - taken perfectly in context, mind you, even if he thought he was answering a different question than the one asked, and when people heard it, it horrified them because it’s so incredibly immature and backward.
TL; Dont give a fuck btw aris is a baws!!!
You rail against the inequality of the double standard and yet you still seem to put faith in it. Women have to push past this purely societal constraint; and countless women have. The double standard, and with it inequality, will only disappear if it disappears from public consciousness. We have to be the first to deny the double standard because the Aris’s and Rush Limbaughs of the world certainly won’t.
Secondly, it is entirely the prerogative of the associated entities to shore up lapses in proper conduct (CAPCOM, or whoever was responsible for production, should’ve pulled the plug on Aris. Like Level Up did with Marn and what’s his face.). You can extend that level of control to the people who attend your event; and in this case you probably should, I never denied that. But when you start controlling what people say/do they can become weary. Aris could not articulate his thoughts very well, to put it mildly, but I believe he was merely concerned with his right to free speech. You can disband the Westboro Baptist Church, but the hate and bigotry will always be there. We have to be careful to extinguish sexism without being militant and defensive. We all must simply rise above it together.
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I think we might be talking past each other on a few points here, but I also think we actually agree on a bunch of things. I wouldn’t say I “put faith into it.” I think that yes, you’re absolutely right, that women have to push past this ‘purely societal constraint,’ but societal pressures are pretty massive. These women who push past it succeed in spite of it, and they shouldn’t have to. We’re all within society and we all have a responsibility for changing it. You’re also right that the inequality only disappears if it disappears from public consciousness. However, I think we’re a pretty fucking far from that point. Racism, classism, and yes, sexism, are all pretty far from being ‘fixed.’ When this ‘disappears from public consciousness,’ it will be because this battle has been fought and won. Denying the double standard does not mean denying it exists, it means trying to actually deny it; changing it, not giving into it, and speaking up when you see it.
Once again, I think we have a lot of common ground here. I think that telling people that they shouldn’t say certain things isn’t the same as controlling what they say. I totally feel you on this one, because if you tell people what they’re saying is offensive, especially in the FGC, they won’t take you seriously. That in of itself is a problem. People have a right to feel safe at these events, and that does mean, yes, controlling your events more if they’re more public affairs as opposed to the weekly, familiar meetings in someone’s house.
I also think that free speech shouldn’t be impugned - for the most part. However, freedom of speech includes the consequences of your words. You’re right that disbanding the Westboro Baptist Church doesn’t get rid of the hate and bigotry. What we can do and totally should do, is to respect their freedom of speech as we express how hateful their words are. We’ll never agree with them, and if anything, should speak out against anyone who would.
I also get that speaking out against it everywhere can be tiring because it really is everywhere. Picking your battles is another wise thing. The main reason I posted to you in the first place, Eric, is because I think we’re friends. I wouldn’t waste my time with some random guy out there. I respect your opinion which is why I wanted to have this dialogue in the first place.