I would agree that it seems odd to make a version of the JLF - if somebody wants a stick like the JLF, surely they’ll just get the Sanwa model?
My next stick is having an LS-56 in it, so I’m excited to try one of those out for the first time (not that I dislike the JLF - once it’s had a new spring and actuator fitted, anyway). Hopefully I’ll get to try a Hayabusa one day, this thread has me intrigued…
I used to have one. I would say it’s a bigger version of LS-33 with more tension. Throw is large, feels much different in comparison to any lubricated pivot bearing stick.
I would buy at least 6, no jokin around.
website page updated:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1908672/candy/newseimitsus2014.jpg
LS-32-S / LS-32-01-S = Basically says, model with shaft cover etc., special note: only comes in black
LS-58 - whogivesadamn
LS-60 (Tentative Name) - LS-58 with “improved” microswitch and spring. With unique spring and micro, lighter feel than the ls-58. Faston terminals only.
http://www.seimitsu.co.jp/gazou-sozai/new/LS-60-ura.png
Same short levered, but with RED actuators. can only mean one thing. (OMRON?!), what actuation force, not mentioned.
… so yeah, they are admitting its basically a modded LS-58. possibly aiming for JLF, as expected.
incidentally LS-58’s are on sale too.
@hibachifinal those LED sticks work on the same idea as these
There are two interesting things coming (sorry not from Seimitsu)
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103207.0;attach=291424
Right after I installed a hallow JLF shaft on a Hayabusa and swap it into a stick that had before a LS-56. LOL.
What the Irony?
LS-55 is cool. 100% accurate neutral position due to the pivot design.
Spring is fairly light, but initial tension from neutral feels greater due to the type of pivot. Directions from neutral feel very accurate.
Deflection seems to happen for me if I release the stick from maximum throw distance.
Engage-throw ratio is odd, since the engage feels shorter than an LS-32 while the throw is larger than a JLF. Small deadzone.
Actuator and gate seem to grind a bit (poor choice of materials), which I imagine must also be true of the 56 and 58.
Overall, the stick feels good but seems to encourage avoidance of the gate, and feels better for directional movements than for smooth sweeping movements.
LS-55 doesn’t have a pivot 
I think that’s a pretty interesting design considering I think the LS-56/8/60 and LS-32 have shitty pivot designs.
Technically, if it didn’t have a pivot it wouldn’t move 
They have washers instead of pivots and no cam housing. It’s a pretty unique design.
I would love to see better pictures of one taken apart though.
There is no pivot on LS-55 stick. When you use it, you feel nothing but the shaft against the spring…weird/different feeling but it’s interesting with octogate though.
I seen a few stick models in my time that lacked a pivot and cam housing.
Why would you need/want a hollow shaft?
Edit: To run wire through it for LEDs?
I planing on installing LEDs in my stick. The Hallow shaft is to run wires inside to the ball top.
I think you guys missed my point there. The shaft cover pivots on a washer - this is still a kind of pivot, even if there’s not a specific piece you can pick up and say “this is the pivot”.
Usually what people mean by pivot – with regards to the JLF and majority of LS-joysticks – is a white piece more commonly referred to as a “pivot bearing” that fits into the pivot space with the joystick base. The pivot bearing in the Hayabusa is dark grey with inscribed lines in it but is otherwise identical to the white pivot bearing piece in the JLF.
I’ve never used an LS-55 and don’t intend to… I haven’t cared for what I’ve experienced in the small joystick end of the Seimitsu LS-series. Personal preference. As inconsistent as the pivot bearings may be on the LS-joysticks, the absence of one of these things in the LS-55 is something I can’t put my head around.
On the other hand, I know people have issues with the LS-32 and LS-40. A lot of the LS-32 issue is with the pivot bearing in that particular joystick. The LS-32 sometimes pops its shaft if you use too much force on it. There are other people that experienced issues with “riding the gate” whatever the heck that means… I got used to the LS-32 and its little quirks. Most comfortable-feeling LS-joystick I’ve used. Definitely the most versatile joystick I’ve used. LS-40 is number two. Less comfortable to me but I can sort of see why some people like it.
Hori modelled the Hayabusa to feel more like the LS-32. At least it feels that way to me. The Hayabusa definitely does not have the pivot (‘bearing’) or “gate” issues people complain about with respect to the LS-32. The Hayabusa also has the advantage of being compatible with the JLF aftermarket parts no mods required… I won’t miss having to customize JLF shafts to fit LS-32’s regardless of Seimitsu’s decision to produce shaft covers for the LS-32 after a quarter-century of production of that joystick without a shaft cover.
I must have that. The $100,000 dollar question now is “How do I get it?”
Wait for Arcade Shock and Paradise Arcade Shop to stock that Seimitsu balltop handle…
I don’t think it’ll cost much more to buy from those guys… Chances are you’ll end up paying more to buy direct from Japan unless you pre-order from a place with decent shipping & handling. (Don’t get me wrong – I like Akihabarshop.jp but it’s just not convenient for a lot of us to order from them unless the parts orders are big enough to justify EMS shipping. I won’t buy stuff unless I know it’s insured!) I just don’t bother with non-American parts vendors in general because of shipping charges, exchange rates, and VAT’s.
Arcade Shock and PAS have both carried or still have limited edition balltop handles in stock.
I got my Sanwa gold and silver edition balltop handles last year from Arcade Shock…
It’s a safe bet that they at least will carry the Seimitsu balltop handle. I’m betting PAS will manage to get the balltop handles… They have more styles of balltop handles than other arcade parts vendor I’ve bought parts from!
Not surprised this has become a limited edition item from Seimitsu… They’re not big on adding new production colors to their arcade parts. They tried to add new color balltop handles, PS-15, and PS-14-G buttons a few years back but they just didn’t do well in sales (from what I gather) and they ended up discontinued like their Pearl buttons… I think the button issues are the least of Seimitsu’s worries. I’d be more concerned on how Hori’s arcade parts might impact their bottom line – especially their joystick/lever sales.
one of the things that was also revealed at JAEPO was ORANGE PS-14-GN’s
I wonder if they will release that as well