A PS2 with Matrix Infinity outputting Progressive Scan signal —>
B PS2 out to VGA in —>
C VGA monitor
At least that is what I can make out of it.
A I have read that the Matrix Infinity can force Non-Progressive Scan games to Progressive Scan.
B A cable that accepts RGB signals and has a VGA connector on it.
C A VGA monitor that supports sync-on-green but when
it does not you have to do something about point B.
What I did is made this abomination of a cable:
(Initial mock-up, next one will be in a project box.)
I used the LM1881 as a synchronization signal separator so it works on monitors without sync-on-green.
The downside is that it needs an external power supply to get +5V.
The LM1881 takes +5V up to +12V.
(Maybe I can get rid of it when I sacrifice a SCART-RGB cable since that does have a +5V line,
but that will have to wait for now. )
The solution is still not totally perfect on some monitors.
You can have the same problems as using one of these:
On some monitors the screen looks washed out green.
On some monitors I lose the signal for a second.
That is because the LM1881 delivers
vertical and composite signals
instead of vertical and horizontal signals.
Most monitors can be given the composite signal
on the horizontal synchronization input line.
I also would like to have a Micomsoft XRGB-3.
That is a lot of savings that needs to be done.
Tapping power directly from the multi AV port is definitely the way to go, though I suppose it might be difficult to retrofit if the sacrificial cable didn’t already have a wire connected to the power pin. Still there should be no need for a stand-alone power supply - just tap the USB ports on the console for power!
The prettiest solution though would be to just stick a VGA port directly on a Sony AV adapter, I bought a few way back but haven’t gotten around to it yet…
They do have Horizontal Synchronization output.
The features states 3.3V to 5V supply operation
but the parametric table states 3.3V only.
Did I miss something why it would not work?
I have also got:
PS2 to component cable —> RCA female to female adapter —> component to VGA cable.
This does not work if the monitor does not support sync on green.
I have read that the Blaze VGA disc can force Non-Progressive Scan to Progressive Scan.
lauri47 already does that with the Matrix Infinity.
But it seems that she / he does not have a monitor that supports sync on green.
How does the Blaze VGA disc deal with that?
The image through this setup will not look good.
And I believe you will still need a sync on green monitor.
(my friend has an xrgb2 and has tried all different setups. I am judging this on his findings)
Takahashi0@
Thats some good work your doing there.
If you ever fancy making another name your price
how will the image not look good? i’m taking pure rgb out of the ps2 and simply using the system selector box and the component-> vga cable instead or takahashi’s soldering job
his cable and my solution do the exact same thing. and i’m not speaking out of my ass, it’s the way i play games right now (non sync on green monitor via the blaze vga disk).
the selector thing can be found at gamestop for like $10.
I have a Micomsoft XRGB-2plus.
What that does is take the Non-Progressive 15 KHz signal and upscales it to Progressive 31 KHz / 47 KHz signal.
It does not take a Progressive signal, if you do that the image looks distorted and moves haywire.
What I am wondering is:
Does mr. newbie’s monitor really not support sync on green and what monitor is it?
Is mr newbie’s selector unit passive or does that take care of the synchronization signal separation?
What does that Blaze VGA disc do more next to forcing Non-Progressive Scan to Progressive Scan?
Blur:
I want Progressive Scan through RGB as a standard!
1.my monitor is NOT sync on green. until i got the blaze vga disk i got a pretty green hue over everything. i was shocked the blaze vga some how got around that.
2.my selector is 100% passive. the blaze disk is doing my upscaling (forced 480p. works on most games. works well in fact)
it does nothing but force progressive. thats it’s only purpose.
4."PS2 to component cable —> RCA female to female adapter —> component to VGA cable. "
instead of a rca female to female, i use a selector box.
Im not doubting you mr. newbie Im just going on what I have been told and my own experience.
Can I ask what monitor you actually have?
Of the 3 I have tried (none of which support sync on green) I get no picture at all.
This is with an official Sony VGA adapter and the matrix force VGA option.
I do not require the upscaling of the XRGB especially.
Just I have been told that any other alternative gives a very poor picture.
I hope this is wrong and will give your setup a try.
First though I just want to confirm a few things. If you dont mind.
Your monitor.
And what that disc is doing to allow non sync on green from the ps2?
Due to the design of the PlayStation multi AV port and component cables it is simply impossible that Blaze could somehow get around the sync-on-green limitation in software. Either your monitor does have sync-on-green capability, or there is a sync separator circuit built into your component to VGA adapter. The reason it didn’t work before getting the Blaze disc must be your monitor not knowing what to make of the interlaced signal.
^i recall reading that at gamesx. did you mean progressive signal? most monitors don’t support a 15khz signal (interlaced). that’s why i thought the blaze disk was going to be a waste of time. maybe it is my monitor. but, doesn’t scenario 1 and 3 prove the mitsu isn’t sog?
mitsubishi diamond scan 90e
scenario 1. ps2 set to rgb. tekken 4 with progressive enabled.= green hue
scenario 2. ps2 set to rgb + blaze disk + final fantasy = corrected colors.
scenario 3. xbox 1 with prog on = green
nec multisync xv15+
scenario 4. rgb ps2 + tekken with progressive on = perfect colors
scenario 5. xbox 1 with prog on = perfect colors
i might be proven wrong about the sog. but the picture quality is flawless.
A green hue does not mean that it is not sync on green capable.
Maybe the Blaze VGA disc does let the synchronize signal pulse better for the monitor.
I remember that Mitsubishi monitors with sync on green can have a menu setting
that sounds like Clamp Pulse if SOG is not in there,
that you can change to remove the green wash.
Some even have a switch for it somewhere, mostly on the back.
OK I have been watching this thread with great interest since it was first posted.
I have been trying to find a good way to display ps2 in vga format for some time now.
I can report that they work fine together and the adapter works on my Samsung tv that does not have sync on green. I am going to take it to work with me later this week and try it on some more monitors, so I can report more results then.
Problems so far, CvS2 works but the image jumps up and down and gives me a headache. Arcana Heart does not work at all (black screen). I am also going to try more games later this week, will report later if there is interest.
What I would like to know is how this adapter would work with the Matrix mod chip.
Hey I figured I would share in this thread since I just made some additions to my gaming setup to allow for my consoles to be viewed on my computer monitor via VGA without switching cables. I had my consoles (xbox 360, wii etc.) all going into my tv in another room via a surround receiver with video output but I also wanted to have my consoles also connected to my computer display without changing cables. Long story short I got this one new XCM cable that connects to all my consoles. I reviewed it here. Then split the signal from that one cable.
Then I split that signal into 3 using a powered component splitter. One going to my surround receiver/living room TV… one going to my capture setup and the other going to this “High-Box HDTV Component To VGA Converter/Transcoder 480i–1080p”. It converts component signals to VGA and does a great job. I was really skeptical about it but it does work with signals from 480i to 1080p and looks GREAT. I highly recommend it. The image quality is perfect. I hope this solves your problem. Its not cheap but It works.
