What buttons are you guys using for meaty?
Standing MK or HK, but I use Cr. HP if itās laggy enough that Iām not feeling sure of my timing.
cr.hp, st.hp, st.hk cr.mp fot meaties
the last one doesnāt seem to work for me. the seismo whiffs
You doing cr.hp? I canāt tell the difference between his standing and crouching fierces, but usually only cr.hp makes the followup possible
i canāt even get the seismo during the target combo to connect in the corner.
but on the crossup, its cr.hp i think
Hold back?
You have to hold back and MP + MK. So, you get the close version of the seismo during the target combo.
ok so when i do this mixup now im getting cr.hp but its not facing the correct way 
Do a slightly delayed st.hk instead
This is kinda weird. Delay HK, then I have to immediately hold right before the kick/after Vtrigger to move a little closer, then if you took a little tiny half step he comes down on the other side. Getting the HP to come NOT facing the corner with him behind you is tripping me up to do it consistently
Frame data lists LK stomp as +2 on hit, which Iām pretty sure is wrong. I tested by recording the dummy mashing a cr jab (3f, I used Chun Li as the dummy), and doing cr mk xx lk stomp on hit. The dummy would be doing a cr jab on the earliest possible frame after my stomp, but my 4f moves were trading, when they should be beating out a 3f move. Necalli st.lk (4f) was trading with a 3f normal when I was +2, which shouldnāt be possible. Iām guessing its +1
Also who else feels like this characters oki sucks? After rush punch, or dp, or any AA/combo ender, I feel like I canāt apply pressure and Iām shoved right back into neutral game where I feel like Necalli kinda struggles :s
Yeah itās trickier to go for oki with him. Iām doing meaty v-skill and saying fuck it, because his v-trigger is too good. cr.mp xx mk stomp (which is safe), deceptive visuals and a workable fireball are too good.
Use EX DG for optimal oki
His V skill I feel shud have better recovery. After hitting an opponent with 2 v skills in a row, they ALWAYS jump, but it would be nice to be able to v skill in neutral and react dp if they jump during v skill. Maybe this might be too strong, but I feel like his normals in the neutral aren;t very good for applying pressure/white damage, so v skill would be able to fill that gap if it was good enough to use at close-ish range. Then again, I guess that goes against the point of the move.
After a meaty cr. mp > mk stomp, what do you guys use as a followup after a blocked stomp? cr. mp again feels like it gets stuffed and at that point you are getting out of range. Do you go to st. HK to fish? I dunno. I agree with the no oki comment. Itās hard to get stuff going. Heās really good at punishing for big damage, but Iām having a hard time finding ways to punish blockstrings on me too.
Guess Iām just trying to find good ways to pressure in the neutral game
Donāt mean to be the elephant in the room. But can you guys list any changes/other stuff youāve found?
I only played for about an hour or two yesterday, all I could take is that
- During V trigger, the charge punch requires charge, no back forward motion
- The target combo seems to be a bit better, cancellable to super/vtrigger. IMO was almost useless before
- HK stomp into delayed super works, but it mightāve worked before too
- against gief close up, st.mp, target combo works
But yeah, could barely tell what they changed. Cr.mp into MK stomp works?? Thatās quite a big change then.
EDIT: Also was his v trigger always 3 stocks? Couldāve sworn it was 2 before, because I would activate it much earlier before.
Also think overhead counterhit got nerfed, the pushback is much farther from what I remember.
st. mp > target combo works on Ken close up too, for what itās worth not just Gief. So probably on others too. cr. mp into MK stomp doesnāt work unless on counter hit or in V trigger
edit: nevermind, this is only on counterhit my bad
Youāre negative after stomp so Iād rather not press anything. This game is a lot about taking turns lol, I feel a lot of my wins come from knowing frame data better than the opponents, so in my experience Lauras, Rashids, Necallis and Dhalsims have been pretty free.
Yeah I figured it would be like that, I know cr.lk, cr.lp HP DP is very variable depending on who you do it on, and whether they are crouching or standing. If they are standing, you either get only 1 hit of HP DP or the DP completely whiffs.
EDIT: Oh the cr.mp MK stomp works in V trigger, I knew it worked on CH but not that particular fact. Good change, to be honest the difference between regular Necalli and V trigger Necalli is not big at all. Most of the combos are exactly the same, most of the normals/moves work the same (w/ the exception of rush punch), etc. Itās not like a Hakan oiled/non-oiled, so I understand a change like that.