MvC3 Actual Balance/Potential Tiers Discussion

why is sent not top 5?

because honzogonzo when peopel dont know what they’re talking about they lump “slower” characters in a grouping they’d call “bad” automatically

Other characters like Magneto, Wesker, Dante, Ammy, etc., do similar damage, are more mobile, are harder to hit and have better mix-up. Sent is great and better than most characters, but he’s not in that absolute top list for most people’s tier lists.

Sent is very good but is a huge walking target with low health. His drone assist sucks now he stays out to long and with low health is more likely to get punished by smart players. I dropped sent for iron man and his uni be assist. didn’t even realize how good e was until I put some time into him. Def helps my wolverine do some damage and helps my taskmaster out a lot. xfactor smart bombs into proton canon or iron avenger is quite amazing also.

those other characters may do as much damage as sent but require a much higher learning curve.

ammy>sent is kinda hard to believe.

dont get me wrong, i play ammy. and she is very under rated, but i still put sent higher than her

lol what the fuck

Sentinel is a bit overrated. The LVL3 XF Sent OMG armor huge health era is over. People know how to fight Sentinel now and there’s characters that clearly have cheaper shit than him. He only beats people that dont know how to whiff punish. He’s just a typical Honda style zoning character with powerful, but easy to read offense that you have to respect. Once you force him to whiff something or get in you can mess with him all day. Which of course most of the high tiers are characters that can easily do that to him or also zone him out at the same time. In level 3 XF he gets that power/speed boost he needs to be officially scary but it’s not really anything that most other characters can’t do in level 3 XF. The biggest power of Sentinel really is his assist and that most characters can’t just randomly do shit and get in due to his powerful spacing options. It’s just if he makes one bad mistake on spacing he’s pretty much done especially with the lower health. He just can’t put as much shit on the screen as Ammy or mix up as well as Wesker and is very susceptible to mix ups himself.

Definitely within the top 10 or 15 due to his uniquely powerful assist and level 3 XF but top 5…not really. There’s other characters that are just as scary or scarier in XF even and characters that can be very threatning without the use of his assist as well. Which lately has been susceptible to being snatched up on a bad call and instant killed.

Sent’s strongest ability is to control the entire aerial space of the screen and do massive damage off an air-to-air hit. his ground game is not overly strong but the stakes when you are fighting Sent are so high it is difficult to not crack and get hit.

With that said though… Ammy has way more than enough to destroy Sentinel. That is like a 9-1 matchup. Ammy has tons of unique advantages a lot of other characters don’t have, like jump cancelable normals that you can trijump out of. Its not a fast trijump, but it doens’t need to be… she’s good. Hella good.

Ammy has more than enough to cause problems for most characters tbh.

Ammy ? Underrated ? Wow. Ammy is pretty generally accepted as being a fucking beast. I dont know if I can take anything you say as being credible.

And no, nowadays most people would rather have ammy on their team over Sent. Ammy is WAY better all around, with the exception of vitality, but thats kinda a moot point considering her hurtbox.

Ammy is that bitch.

Seems what people said about Sent holded true about him being called the best in the game until people figure out how to deal with him.

He is still good but at least he isn’t omg broken although with XF3 he seems Op as hell initially.

Ammy, man I hate the dog. Small so you have to adjust you combos not to mention the dog is hard to hit. Some even jumping attacks miss if not aimed properly.

Wolverine also has this advantage somewhat while still being able to deal massive damage.

I bet most believe my girl Phoenix is top 3 these days. Probably is lol. Or perhaps the best.
I think Wesker is the best now tho.

Top Characters IMO (not in order):

Phoenix/DPh
Wesker
Dante
Amaterasu
Magneto
Taskmaster

I didnt want to put a “Top 5” or w/e because its all too opinionated, but im sure most people will agree that these characters are among the best in the game

still people you have to remember 95% of sent’s are still doing day 1 sent’s stuff before the nerf i thought he was top 3 and even with the nerf i still think hes top 10

Even without Dark Phoenix, Phoenix is still annoying to most of the cast. Her Dark Phoenix transformation puts her over the top. She’s clearly the number one character in the game with Dark Phoenix and lvl 3 x-factor. The fact that she easily kills characters whether by touch (btw, she has like a 4 way mixup without assists) or just by chip… If she did less damage even if it was literally impossible to drop her combos, she’d be less broken. She can EASILY kill characters in seconds, even if just by her homing traps which do massive chip. That means you activate lvl 3 x factor, have plenty of time to wait, and still have time to kill off the opponent’s entire team. It’s nearly impossible to wait out DPH’s lvl 3 x factor.

What Sentinel technology is being slept on/underused?

Phoenix isn’t #1, I’m starting to doubt she’s even Top Tier.

phoenix cripples any team shes on. shes the best character in the game when not taking teams into consideration.
on a team she REALLY makes the characters before her weak.

her best overall team seems to be her anchored with wesker as first or second. wesker probably has the best non meter damage game in the game, combined with it sets itself up for more damage on hit.

so basically phoenix doesnt cripple wesker as much as she does other characters and he doesnt need meter to do big damage, so her and wesker go well together.

is it a top team? who knows. viscant makes it seem so.

i still think magneto is the best character in the game, he doesnt cripple teams like phoenix. wesker is probably second, with phoenix perhaps not even in the top 5 (when we tier not based on individual strength, but on overall strengths brought to a team).

if tiering on individual strength, DPH is obviously the best character in the game.

-dime

Cripple is a harsh word. Wesker can get huge damage without meter because a lot of his reset setups are obvious. Nobody needed me to tell them “hey you can air throw off of samurai edge, and when they get used to that you can combo them”, people were doing variations of that stuff literally before the game came out. People gravitated towards the idea of playing Wesker without meter because of that and because his supers generally work against you.

As a Phoenix player who experiments with different teams a lot, I’ve found that conserving meter and/or creating option setups with other good characters is not that hard. Amaterasu, Magneto, Wolverine, Spencer, She-Hulk all have fairly ridiculous Wesker-like option setups that most people simply neglect to do and instead just finish their combos every time. You can play any of those characters without expending large amounts of meter and still be pretty effective.

And again, the best part of a Phoenix team has nothing to do with Phoenix herself, it has to do with how other people play against you. Add up all the life you save when someone snaps you out, add up all the life you save on your 3rd character when Phoenix dies then resurrects fresh (add in more if you get the combo off the blowback in the corner which can be close to unavoidable if you know how to die correctly), add up all the life you save when people just use poor strategy and that’s Phoenix’s contribution to the team. This usually far outweighs what you give up by trying to save meter for Phoenix. And that’s another thing, saving meter for Phoenix doesn’t mean never using meter but that’s another thought for another time.

I don’t even play Phoenix well, I only actually started using Clockw0rk mixups and setups a couple weeks ago, but I win a lot of games “because of Phoenix” where she doesn’t do much work at all and doesn’t turn dark. That’s why I think she’s #1.

–Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com

lol he said hurtbox, now i know i cant take anything u say as being credible.

ammy is not better than sent