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I was talking to hyo about how the format of the 5 on 5 WC vs EC Main Event should be. I’m a little lazy right now since it is valentines day and I gotta go and get laid again today so imma just have this thread up a a spot for you to suggest what the format should be. We know marvel is crack more than any other game out there - there’s no such thing as too much marvel. POST YOUR THOUGHTS!

Edit 2-15-07

Ok Imma copy what carnevil posted cause he has two formats listed in detail and I’ll add the format Hyo and I spoke about last night as the 3rd possibility.

**1). Round robin. This is the format where everyone on one team plays everyone on the other team once, which would be 25 total matches if there’s five players on each team. The big advantage of this method is that it’s a more fair assessment of a team’s overall strength (since everyone plays an equal number of matches), and you don’t have the possibility of one person carrying the whole team. The big disadvantage is that once one team scores 13 points, the match is essentially over, and you either have to quit without everyone getting to play, or keep playing even if the other team has no chance at winning (remember the round robin at Evo 2k3? WC had already won before Justin Wong even began playing). This makes it very difficult to have any sort of dramatic, exciting finish (unless it comes down to the very last match).

2). I’ll call this “chain elimination”. Basically, this is where each team has a certain number of people (let’s say five), and the first two people on each team play each other. The loser is eliminated, and the winner plays the next person down the line (or chain), and you keep doing that until everyone is eliminated from one of the teams (most team tournaments use this format). The big advantage of this format is that it’s dramatic and exciting. When a team has to battle on its last leg to avoid elimination, then that’s going to make the match really exciting. What if team WC gets down to Duc, Chunk, Soo, Reset, Potter, or whoever’s last (did I just vote for who I think team WC should be?) battles back and beats 3 EC people to get all the way down to Justin Wong, where the winner of the next match wins it all? That would be EXCITING. The big disadvantage is that not a lot of matches get played this way. The best case scenario here is that nine total matches get played, and the worst case would be five (if the first person on one team blows the other team out). However, I think that could easily be fixed. If you made it 3/5, so that one team has to eliminate the other team three times, then I think you’d stretch the event out, and still have it be really exciting.

  1. Round Robin x 2 - Basically the idea of this format is to minimize the number of wins a team can possibly get. So for round 1 lets say we have soo play against all 5 east coast members, then jmar plays, then chunk plays, until the last member of west coast plays 5 members. You would tally up the total wins they got and that would be their official score. If they got 15 wins then they get 15 points. Losing matches do not count for any team. It would then be EC turn to rack up wins where their wins would be turned into points. If they got 16 wins then the final score would be 15 WC to 16 EC. Everyone played and the crowd gets to see a lot of matches between top players.**

There’s a lot of betting options with the 3rd format. Like will justin wong get 5 - 0 when hes up or will west coast get more than 10 points or will the total points for both side be more than 40 etc…

Duc

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Well I’m very sleepy and lazy, so I won’t go too much into detail. Duc can pick up from where I’m leaving off at.:lol:

Basically, the original format is 25 games. I think it was like the 1st team to get 13 points wins, and then it’s over. Like, say if Duc plays me, then plays smoothviper, then justin and etc. Say he loses 2 but wins 3, so his team will have 3 points on his run and we’ll have 2 on our side. Then someone else from his team will step up and play all of us just as he did. But instead of having it only like that, we were thinking about then switching over and having our team do the same exact thing. So instead of 25 games it would be around 50 games. Idk, it’s just to make things more interesting and fun for you guys to watch.

Uggh, I’m like typing with my eyes half open:wasted: Duc can explain it in more vivid detail to u guys tomorrow.

Gnite!

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I think there’s really two formats you can use here.

1). Round robin. This is the format where everyone on one team plays everyone on the other team once, which would be 25 total matches if there’s five players on each team. The big advantage of this method is that it’s a more fair assessment of a team’s overall strength (since everyone plays an equal number of matches), and you don’t have the possibility of one person carrying the whole team. The big disadvantage is that once one team scores 13 points, the match is essentially over, and you either have to quit without everyone getting to play, or keep playing even if the other team has no chance at winning (remember the round robin at Evo 2k3? WC had already won before Justin Wong even began playing). This makes it very difficult to have any sort of dramatic, exciting finish (unless it comes down to the very last match).

2). I’ll call this “chain elimination”. Basically, this is where each team has a certain number of people (let’s say five), and the first two people on each team play each other. The loser is eliminated, and the winner plays the next person down the line (or chain), and you keep doing that until everyone is eliminated from one of the teams (most team tournaments use this format). The big advantage of this format is that it’s dramatic and exciting. When a team has to battle on its last leg to avoid elimination, then that’s going to make the match really exciting. What if team WC gets down to Duc, Chunk, Soo, Reset, Potter, or whoever’s last (did I just vote for who I think team WC should be?) battles back and beats 3 EC people to get all the way down to Justin Wong, where the winner of the next match wins it all? That would be EXCITING. The big disadvantage is that not a lot of matches get played this way. The best case scenario here is that nine total matches get played, and the worst case would be five (if the first person on one team blows the other team out). However, I think that could easily be fixed. If you made it 3/5, so that one team has to eliminate the other team three times, then I think you’d stretch the event out, and still have it be really exciting.

So anyway, my two cents. I’ve given it plenty of thought, and I think what I wrote accurately summarizes both methods. For what it’s worth, I’d go with #2. If anyone has any other formats, I’d certainly like to hear those as well.

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i think it should be how D. Hyo said

that way both sides get to have all there’re players play.

The Good thing would be like say Ec wins the first one 13-12, then WC can comeback on the next set, and win 25-23.

So it would most likely be the best way to see all the players measure up, but the problem would be how it’s just time consuming.

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and what happend with the lonely wolfs like me??
i mean,am unable to play on a team cuz my job

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Yes, we believe option #3 is the best way, but the time consuming part is a huge factor. Marvel is fast, but that is very long. Sadly it is HONESTLY the best way to see everyone fight everyone and give all of you guys the best matches as possible. This way everyone will get to see the players truly duel it out to see who’s better. I’ve seen events like these go perfectly in some sports or tournaments, so you never know. The 5 on 5 probably wouldn’t take place until the evo schedule is done on saturday night or something. Unless it becomes apart of the main schedule somehow.

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I like the ambition for this, but shouldn’t we have iron out the team details first?

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yes it would work well if they get a Good Time Schedule for the 5v5, and that all the players are able to make it to Evo.

i think day one should be pools/3v3 team tourney, then day 2 would be semis/top 8/money matches, and that the 5v5 should be the last thing to get rid of that way they finish the event with a bang on either a 3rd day or at the very end.

i don’t know the if Evo is 2 or 3 days, lol never been.

Marvel is too hype now, it’s seriously a sport compared to all the other games.

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To be honest, option 2 (chain elimination) is pretty good for this event considering certain factors. Ima call that co-op style, thats co-up cup size to my knowledge. Anyway, the other two options for one suck if one does go 13-12, its over, half the thing is negated. Its also time consuming, it’d probably have to be a side event or go very early on at Evo for maximum exposure. Option 3 same deal, only more time. Since we seem to be able to just muscle about an hour big screen time due to hype and status, I really think going co-op style fits the bill. It also makes for a lot more interesting results, as it’ll be a lot tougher to call one guy maybe going 4-1, 5-0 since one loss is it. Since this is such a dramatic battle and a relatively new format, maybe itll entice some of the players that were on the fence about playing on the teams to get involved, as you can’t really just expect your coast to win 13 just by the numbers. Finally, if done that way, I think it allows for maybe a 7 on 7 which might alleviate some of the team selection problems going on. Magnifent 7? I dunno. I think it’d be very adaptable to the big screen and it’s a very good “event” type format.

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Round Robin x 2 is great. Plus, it minimizes all that whining about playing five times in a row being better or worse than the other options.

If you have the time, of course.

You guys should work this out asap, and start gathering bets for money matches. Maybe this can be way bigger than Duc vs Sanford last year…

ukok - You play solo on the main tourney. The team tourney is only for teh 5 best players from each coast

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The problems i see with the Round Robin x 2 situation is:

  • Time constraints

  • If there is a tie in score, then what? if both teams get say, 14 wins, then what options are available? You could replay the last match as the “tie-breaker” but then that really just puts pressure on those two players for all the marbles, not the whole team.
    In case of a tie, the only viable option in my opinion would be the “chain elimination”, in which case you could have just done from the start.

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In case of a tie, both teams should choose someone to represent them, then those 2 play first 10. that will be the most epic battle.

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If it’s going to be played on the big screen, option #2 is the best in my opinion. It’s much less time consuming than either round robin format, which could just get to be too long actually.

There can be hype surrounding a “chain elimination” style game too. Say if JWong anchors the east team and the west jumps out way ahead, there’d be a lot of drama and suspense in Wong trying to come all the way back.

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chain elim is the way to go
with round robin, there is not nearly as much excitement. you gotta watch the boards, calculate who’s in the lead, etc etc.
its not just who’s alive and who’s dead.
if you want to extend it, just make it 7v7 or something.

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Round robin is seriously the only way to go. Unfortunately it does take up a lot of time but it offers the best betting options and allows for the most accurate results. Pokemon style just assures us which coast has the best player, and we all know Jwong is likely to go 5-0.

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Hmm, after reading option 2 again it does seem like one of the best ways as well. But it would have to be 3 out of 5 because someone can easily sweep either team and just have it all end in 5 games, which would suck. :annoy: No one would care and it’d be VERY boring. So I guess making option 2 isn’t a bad idea and it’s less time consuming since the loser is eliminated.

Not too shabby

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Its not really true. Beat Justin one game. Thats all and wc wins the whole thing. Its one single game. Justin didn’t even go 5-0 at the last 5v5 and he was much better than the rest of the field at the time. Maybe if it were 2/3 it would dilute things a bit more, but if you can’t assemble a squad of 5 people that can beat Jwong ONE time, I think you need to look at the team selection a bit harder. If you were counting on a round robin but Justin going 5-0, and still expecting EC to lose more than 12 matches with players like Yipes and Erik (aka not win 8 more), I really think you’re just going to end up wasting a lot of time on the big screen.
Like I said, this is an event. We aren’t ACTUALLY seeing which coast is better because thats subjective anyway. Why would a 5v5 decide which coast is better? Why not a 7v7, or a 10v10, or a 1v1? Its all just preference. Coop cup style ftw, its clearly the best-suited event format.

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3/5 for chain elimination will get the winning team tired and mentally drained…

I’d just go for 2/3. but meh. Option 2 ftw.

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I think the Roubd Robin format is the most fair, and I was pretty hyped throughout the whole event at 2k3.

That or chain elimination 2/3.