Racey is :lame:
So is that smiley. 
Letās stay on topic plz
Racewing, thanks very much for the bump and the (valuable) contribution. Iām about to head home from work, but Iām really looking forward to reading your FAQ and trying out some stuff. Double crushes sound mighty goodā¦ 
ā¦so thanks very much in advanceā¦
-Jugg
Heh. No problem. 
Let me know how the session goesā¦
I know its not exactly a very popular assist, but there is another unmashable Gamma Crush combo with Ruby Heartās capture type.
Note: Not sure if you can mash out of the anchor grab.
Its C. LK + Ruby Assist, C. LK, LK Gamma ChargeXXGamma Crush.
Hulk needs to be quicker and take better damage than colossusā¦dumb capcomā¦and if anyone should have a rage mode it should be Hulk, not Jinā¦
I wish he had some air movesā¦:bluu:
OK, I got to kick around the āDouble Crushā thing Racewing has referred to, mostly with Ken AAA.
It does work, and itās something that I was somewhat aware of earlier (due to a small stint using Storm-y) but never really tried to put into words or develop a consistent use forā¦ reasons being that:
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The opponent generally has to be way up there (like SJ + airdash up altitude) in order for it to work properly (with a few exceptions), and
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Neither Jugg nor Sent provide an assist that helps in the application of this.
Anyway, like I said, it works with Ken AAA against the wall. Just call him, and somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd hit of the DP do your Gamma Crush. You may be able to do it sometimes after the 3rd hit, but things get a little inconsistent, and the absolute last thing you want is for the opponent to get his block back (which is what happens if you donāt get the break).
Racewing was kind enough to provide a comprehensive list in his link of all the other 55 characters and which assists will āworkā or not. Check it out, one of your faves just might be on there and marked āUsefulā.
Anyway, Iāll try a little more with Commando AAA this time when I get off work today. It seems to be mostly a wall-only thing, with some exceptions (like Storm-y).
-Jugg
A few assists that can be used for double crushes or unmashable crushes.
-Spiral-a [off gamma charges]
-Spiral-y [multipunch hits, you crush from above]
-Storm-a [anywhere off a launch]
-Ironman-b [corners mostly]
-BH [forgot. Itās kinda unstable]
-Juggernaut-a [mid screen. Highly unstable in corners]
-Sabretooth-b [forgot. easy to figure out]
-Doom-b [gamma charges and launches]
Supers that can be used for unmashable crushes [partial list]ā¦
-Magnetic tempest [high air via extended air combo cancelled to crush early much like the tempest hail but slower]
-Lightning Storm [High air via extended aircombo]
-Amingo vineblade [theoretically. Must cancell as they pop up at the top]
-Kochou gakure [Psylocke butterfly]
Triples that cause the unmashable crush effect. [Some of these teams suck. Bewareā¦]ā¦
-MM, Hulk, Jin [launch with hulk or Jin, triple, dead character. Too bad this team sucks alittle. Only Cable can punish this if blocked though. ]
-Hulk, Cable, Capcom.
Cable can launch to triple, hp or hk to triple, Capcom launch to triple, Hulk can launch to triple.
-IM, Hulk, Capcom
-Spiral, Sentinel, Hulk.
Combo to a triple with Sentinel and it will work.
Good teams IMOā¦
-Team Steroids [Hulk, Juggernaut, Sentinel. One of the more frightenning versions of the above category]
-Mags-b, Storm-a, Hulk-b [If they mash you can DHC landing a super anyhow assuming you donāt use Storm assist based unmashables.
-BH, Storm, Hulk [2 assists for unmashable crushes]
-IM-b, Hulk, Mags/Storm/Sentinel
More some other time. I havenāt used Hulk or played in a long time. See ya around. I still like Hulk BTW.
Actually, only the ones marked ācorner onlyā are, well, corner only., and those are usually limited to the uppercut-type anti-air assists .
There are some incrediby useful ones that can be done from anywhere on screen, such as Doomās Anti-air (in fact, this one is so effective that I think people might start whoring this given the chance and given that Doomās rocks are evil no matter how you slice it), Cammy-Y, Anakaris-B (the throw assist; and thanks to the fact that it shares the same turbocharged super meter-building properties as when Anak is on point doing that move means you almost can try this technique anytime at will provided youāve got a good pressure game going on), Zangief-A, Sabertooth A+B, and to a lesser extent, Magneto B.
And I only went down half the list.
For some reason, Hulkās DGC glitch seems to be friendliest to anyone NOT in the top tier :lol:
Whoa, nice list.
Hey, Deathfist, is it all right if I try these out at home tonight (and perfect 'em, whatnot) and put them into my FAQ? Credit given to you, of course. This is just the kind of stuff Iāve been looking forā¦
Thanks to both of you guys.
Deathfist, whenver you get the chance, more is always welcome. I appreciate you accomodating me on some info per my PM request.
-Jugg
Interesting stuff here. Canāt get it to work out of the corner yet, but its good to know its there.
Just an update, got to try out the ādouble crushā stuff with Commando, with good results (good thing too, JuggerHulk Commando is a very viable team and probably the only one Iād truly use this application with consistently).
It works pretty much the same way as Ken AAA, only you donāt have to wait for the opponent to get carried up or anything. Just call and super.
Very useful against the wall, and turns out to be a meter well spent, but itās important to note that you wonāt be able to do it if youāre in hit/blockstun at allā¦
Oh yeah, and for the record, I went back and read this entire thread and this is in fact the same concept that gammaunleashed and Ten had already addressed (way) earlier, just in different words and with a link to a comprehensive list.
Enjoyā¦ and thanks again everybody.
[EDIT: Toned down āGamma Nutzā for people checking the site from workās sake]
-Jugg
"Gamma Nutz!"
:lol:
I think I already posted thisā¦but I donāt remember so you can addā¦
Team supers: with magneto at pointā¦FP launcher into team super with hulk gamma crush so easy to do and really good for getting rid of entire assists lifebarā¦
THE MOST DAMAGING GAMMA CRUSH COMBO is with omega red coilā¦crlk+assist, crmk, gamma charge with fkXX gamma crushā¦ entire bar against a cable or weakerā¦ only 5-6 hitsā¦thatās why it is so damn strongā¦looks cool too
Also doing this as a poke pattern is a very good idea ā¦since if the opponent blocks the coil gives Hulk enough time to recover after the gamma charge without being punishedā¦(usually you always need to cancel a gamma charge into the rocksā¦if you donāt have a good assist to back hulk up)
Of course you can use my stuff so long as you give me credit. I have just found a million more things including unmashable gamma crush combos with Guile-a, Capcom-b, Cable-b, etcā¦
Iām gonna do this the easy wayā¦
Use this combo vs a cornered foeā¦
Ducking+[Lk, mk(Call assist IMMEDIATELY),]xxGamma charge, xx on contact with a whiffed Gamma crush, wait.
With any of these assistsā¦
1Guile, Cable-b, Capcom-b, Ken-a [I think]
2Jin-b.
1* Can be comboed off air attacks becoming fatal
2* Can be comboed off air attacks, wonāt be fatal [close though]
Use the following combo vs a cornered foeā¦
Ducking [lk,mk, call assist] Immediately xx gamma crush
With these asssistsā¦
Cammy-a, Cyc-b, Ken/Ryu anti air,
Extremely powerful, but not guaranteed to kill a Cable instantly. Leaves him breathing his last from full though.
If you catch an opponent in the air in a corner and you have Guile-a [like if you killed a character and another is falling in do this comboā¦
Jump in [hold back], airthrow, lk, land and in rapid fire sucession, call Guile-a, Gamma Charge, Gamma Crush. I hope you didnāt need your Cable who just fell in because I just did 143 damage to him.
If you are being air attacked and you have Guile-a, Call Guile and airthrow if youāre close to the corner to trade positions.
Gotta go. See ya in a few days.
Iām a little confused. Can you spell out what youāre doing with the last part of your notation for my feeble mind? Thanks.
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Nice combo. I just wanted to reinforce for the general public the importance of holding back while jumping for your airthrow XX j. HK/LK combos. People love to point out that anything post-airthrow is rollable, but itās still good to know/use, because it gets in sometimes and if it does itās well worth it. I have my own little setups I do, but lots of stuff is possible. Be creative.
If you havenāt been holding back for your charge, you can always take a simple c. LP, s. HP after a landed airthrow XX j. HK; still not too shabby. Cancel early with a jab command throw if you see that theyāve rolled.
The j. HK works best near the peak of normal-jump height, and the short kick is for closer to the ground.
I kind of took this as a given (itās as natural as breathing for a serious Hulk player), but those just getting into the character might not see the significance, and I donāt think itās really been mentioned in the thread much. So I couldnāt let that rideā¦
Thanks again, Deathfist.
-Jugg
Hey Juggs - aināt seen you in a while since I donāt traverse to this side very often since my retirement pretending like he was actually famous or something. Some of this thread is pretty good. I havenāt spent too much time on the DGC - but I tried the ken and Doom ones first and they are :eek: . Ken is a little difficult for me to time off the bat, but with practice Iāll nail it. Doom was just Nasty and seems real applicable. I want to try Colossus - his assist sends the opponenet just as high as Capcomā¦although hitting someone in the corner with Colossus ought to be int3ersting. I wonder if it is possible to DHC into a DGCā¦like Jill, or Storm (mags hits wil lbe so high - the damage wonāt matter - although it might make a nice alternative to hyper xx grav xx hailstorm combosā¦)
-:bluu:
Whatās up, man? Yeah, I still see you around on some threads. Iām not quite āretiredā yet, but within spitting distance of it.
I still figured that I had enough time in with the Hulk to help on this thread, though. I think it has gone well, largely due to a lot of other knowledgeable folksā input. I wasnāt going to get too in-depth, but since the big board crash there wasnāt a solid thread out there for Hulk; now there is (work in progress).
So thanksā¦
[EDIT: ā¦and the only super I know of that will reliably ādouble crushā upon DHC no-setup-required is Rogueās (PP, not A1+A2). Cancel during the kiss.]
-Jugg
BUMP in order to make this visible in the new character-specific S&T folder layout.
More info & general thoughts on Hulk coming soon; this thread is due for an update anyway.
-Jugg
Just some more to add here:
My Deathbutton is well known in the greater SoVa area (Juggy Iām still waitin for you to get up here) and I just want to add a few good pointers.
The best way to cover hulks ass w/ thec.lk,c.lk,gamma charge(hk) series is to have what bonesaw said"a viable assist". Some good assists for this areā¦Doom-rocks
Sentinel-drones
Storm-projectile
Tronne-projectile
anything that hits more than once and takes at least a little time.
Iām pretty careless cause I stick w/ a glitched juggy(too many opportunities for an 100% combo) but I usually leave sent for last to just in case.
Combosā¦c.lk xx juggy dash,c.lk,gamma charge (hk), gamma quake
*corner only*
Juggy dash xx throw, gamma charge, gamma quake/gamma crush
Unmashable
Cross up w/ Deep(Very deep)j.hk, Juggy dash,gamma crush(time so the victim is diectly overhead when the screen freezes). If done w/ the juggy glitch, does insane damage.